[MUSIC]
Craig Syverson: HELLO I'M CRAIG SYVERSON WITH GRAND MEDIA. [Pop captions up]
Craig Syverson: AND TODAY LEO WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A KEYNOTE SLIDE FROM SCRATCH.
Sean Carruthers: PRESENTATION EY WITH POWERPOINT YES?
Craig Syverson: NO LEO WE'RE GONNA BUILD A KEYNOTE SLIDE FROM SCRATCH. [Pop captions down]
Sean Carruthers: I LOVE POWERPOINT.
Craig Syverson: AH ALL THAT AND MORE TODAY ON "THE LAB WITH LEO". [MUSIC] [Beeping] [MUSIC] [Pop captions up]
Leo: I THINK WE SHOULD GET PUPPET LEO TO DO THE WHOLE SHOW TODAY. [Laughs]
Leo: HELLO HOW ARE YOU? AND WELCOME TO "THE LAB". I'M LEO LAPORTE. THIS IS THE SHOW WHERE WE ANSWER COMPUTER QUESTIONS, TECHNOLOGY QUESTIONS IN GENERAL. WE HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE TERMS MEAN. HOW TO BUY, HOW TO SELL, HOW TO USE. KATE ABRAHAM IS HERE. SHE IS MY ABLE ASSISTANT AND THE CREATOR OF THE CLIPBOARD. THE HOLDER OF THE MAGIC BOARD - -
Kate: LOOK AT THAT.
Leo: EPISODE 65. [Pop captions down]
Leo: AND WE HAVE A GREAT SHOW FOR YOU. CRAIG SYVERSON WHO YOU SAW IS HERE. I LOVE CRAIG.
Kate: FANTASTIC SHOW.
Leo: ISN'T HE GREAT?
Kate: HE'S SO GOOD.
Leo: HE'S SO FUN. WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT KEYNOTE WHICH IS APPLE'S ALTERNATIVE TO POWERPOINT.
Kate: MMM-HMM.
Leo: AND I THINK IN MANY WAYS IT REALLY HAS A LOT OVER POWERPOINT. AND IN SOME IN OTHER WAYS IT HAS LESS THAN POWERPOINT. BUT IT'S VERY COOL. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE MONEY ON YOUR, ON YOUR WEBSITE JOHN CHOW THE KING OF MAKING MONEY ON THE WEB. HE MAKES WHAT DID HE TELL ME 11,000 A MONTH?
Kate: A MONTH YEAH.
Leo: HOYA, MOYA INJA HINJA. YOU'VE GOT A FACEBOOK APP.
Kate: I DO.
Leo: A FUN ONE?
Kate: A FUN ONE.
Leo: I LOVE THESE. I TELL YOU. THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THIS AND I'M, I'M REALLY GETTING INTO FACEBOOK IS THAT YOU PUT TOO MANY APPS ON THERE --
Kate: IT'S A NIGHTMARE.
Leo: YOU GET THIS GIANT PAGE YOU KNOW.
Kate: YOU'RE SCROLLING AND SCROLLING AND SCROLLING, YEAH IT'S --
Leo: BUT ON THE OTHER HAND IT KEEPS IT FRESH CAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD.
Kate: YEAH.
Leo: AND IT'S EASY TO ADD NEW ONES AND GET RID OF THE OLD ONES.
Kate: YEAH ABSOLUTELY.
Leo: ALSO JIM RUTHERFORD IS BACK. HE DIDN'T BRING HIS SON THIS TIME.
Kate: NO OWEN.
Leo: OH -- BUT HE'LL TALK ABOUT EDITING AND DEBUGGING CSS USING A TOOL FOR FIREFOX CALLED FIREBUG, FIREBUG.
Kate: FIREBUG.
Leo: SO WE'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY. A COMPLETE RANGE OF STUFF AND THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS SHOW. AND IN FACT THE CALLERS ARE WHAT REALLY SET THE TONE, THE TENOR --
Kate: MMM-HMM.
Leo: THE, THE TENOR OF THE SHOW.
Kate: INDEED.
Leo: IF YOU'RE VERY TECHNICAL, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TECHNICAL. IF YOU WANT BASIC INFORMATION WE'LL DO THAT TOO. THAT'S WHY WE USE CALLERS --
Kate: YES.
Leo: CAUSE THEY KIND OF TELL US WHAT TO TALK ABOUT. WHO DO WE HAVE TODAY FOR OUR FIRST CALL?
Kate: WE HAVE MARC AND HE'S FROM RICHMOND HILL IN ONTARIO.
Leo: HMM THANK YOU KATE. HELLO MARC. [Pop captions up]
Marc: HI HOW ARE YOU?
Leo: I'M GREAT. HOW ARE YOU? WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
Marc: I'M OKAY. I AM, I'M HAVING TROUBLE DECIDING WHAT SYSTEM I SHOULD GET EITHER A MAC OR A PC.
Leo: AH.
Marc: I'M A BIG GAMER. SO I'D LIKE TO PLAY GAMES WELL ON IT.
Leo: OKAY.
Marc: AND I'VE HEARD PCS ARE MUCH BETTER FOR GAMES THAN MAC. [Pop captions down]
Leo: YEAH IN FACT IF, IF, IF THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FEATURE FOR YOU I WOULD SAY GET A PC.
Marc: YEAH.
Leo: END OF STORY.
Marc: AND I'M ALSO LOOKING FOR PERFORMANCE-WISE SUCH AS MACS DON'T GET VIRUSES AND UM - -
Leo: OH WELL THAT'S TRUE. [Pop captions up]
Leo: THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION. MACS TEND TO BE A LITTLE MORE SECURE. IT'S UNCLEAR WHETHER THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE INHERENTLY MORE SECURE. I THINK IT'S SOME OF THAT OR BECAUSE THEY'RE LESS OF A TARGET AND I THINK IT'S A LOT OF THAT. [Pop captions down]
Leo: I MEAN WITH THE MACINTOSH ONLY HAVE FIVE PERCENT OF THE MARKETPLACE -- [Laughs]
Leo: IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT A, IT DOESN'T PAY FOR HACKERS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HACK INTO THE MACINTOSH. AND THERE'S SOME EVIDENCE REALLY LATELY THAT APPLE AND THE MAC OPERATING SYSTEM AREN'T REALLY MORE SECURE BUT JUST LESS OF A TARGET. AND, AND THE REASON I MENTION THAT IS RECENTLY APPLE RELEASED A VERSION OF SAFARI. IT'S WEB BROWSER FOR WINDOWS. WITHIN LIKE YOU KNOW THREE OR FOUR HOURS A NUMBER OF MAJOR SECURITY FLAWS SURFACED. AND THE REASON THEY CAME UP SO FAST IS THAT HACKERS HAD A LOT OF TOOLS THEY'VE WRITTEN ON WINDOWS TO FIND THESE FLAWS. THEY USE ONE IN PARTICULAR CALLED FUZZER, WHICH JUST TRIES A LOT OF RANDOM INPUT INTO A BROWSER TRYING TO EITHER CRASH IT OR GET IT TO DO SOMETHING THAT THE HACKER CAN THEN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AND FUZZER FOUND THIS LIKE IN A FEW HOURS. THERE'S NO FUZZER ON THE MAC. SO I MEAN IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER TO A MAC END USER EXCEPT IF THE MAC BECOMES MORE POPULAR THEN IT MAY BECOME MORE OF A TARGET. BUT RIGHT NOW YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. RIGHT NOW IF YOU'RE USING A MAC YOU DON'T NEED ANTI-VIRUS, YOU DON'T NEED ANTI-SPYWARE SOFTWARE BECAUSE THERE ARE NO VIRUSES, THERE'S NO SPYWARE, NOTHING SIGNIFICANT ANYWAY. THERE'S DEMONSTRATION VIRUSES BUT THERE'S NO VIRUSES OUT IN THE WILD FOR THE MAC. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. NOW I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A SENSIBLE THING TO, TO KIND OF IGNORE SECURITY. YOU PROBABLY SHOULD ALWAYS KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND. IF YOU'RE GOING ON THE INTERNET YOU KNOW IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY A RISKY PLACE. BUT IN GENERAL IT IS SAFER TO BE ON THE MAC. BUT REALLY SINCE YOU WANT TO GAME I GOT TO TELL YOU THE MAC IS NOT A GOOD GAMING PLATFORM. THERE ARE YOU KNOW SOME GAMES COME OUT FOR THE MAC BUT LET'S SAY YOU WANT TO PLAY THE NEW SPORE WHEN IT COMES OUT. OOH HOW EXCITING. WINDOWS XBOX AND THAT'S IT MAYBE PLAYSTATION 3. UM YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PLAY IT ON THE MAC AT LEAST NOT RIGHT AWAY. SO WHAT GAMES DO YOU PLAY?
Marc: WELL LIKE STUFF LIKE UM HALO AND, AND LOTS OF LIKE - - GAMES LIKE THAT.
Leo: THERE AREN'T, THERE AREN'T YOU KNOW WHAT THERE IS, IS THERE'S A SMATTERING OF THE GAMES COME OUT ON BOTH PLATFORMS. YOU KNOW WORLD OF WARCRAFTS ON BOTH PLATFORMS. HALO IS NOT. ASIAN EMPIRES BOTH PLATFORMS ALTHOUGH A LITTLE BIT BEHIND IN THE MAC THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF GAMING IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU, THERE, THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE. YOU COULD BUY A MAC AND RUN WINDOWS ON IT EITHER IN BOOTCAMP OR IN PARALLELS. FOR GAMING YOU'D PROBABLY USE BOOTCAMP. WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN YOU FIRST TURN ON THE MACHINE YOU EITHER CHOOSE WINDOWS OR MAC AND, AND IF YOU WANT A GAME I FEEL I'M IN THE MOOD FOR A GAME YOU MIGHT BOOT UP INTO WINDOWS AND PLAY IT. BUT IT'S YOU KNOW IT'S A MORE COSTLY WAY TO GO BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET WINDOWS WITH A MAC AS YOU DO WITH PCS. UM AND YOU, YOU KNOW YOU'RE DIVIDING YOUR HARD DRIVE, YOU'RE DIVIDING YOUR WELL ACTUALLY YOU'RE NOT DIVIDING YOUR MEMORY CAUSE ALL THE MEMORY'S ALLOCATED. BUT I THINK PROBABLY IF, IF, IF IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO BUY A MAC BUT YOU STILL WANT TO PLAY THOSE GAMES.
Marc: YEAH.
Leo: THAT'S A, THAT'S A TOUGH ONE. I MEAN I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT GAMES YOU CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT SEE IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE ON THE MAC. HALO IS NOT.
Marc: YEAH AND I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THAT MAC, THAT MACS HAVE ALL THESE MULTIMEDIA THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO.
Leo: YEAH I MEAN IF YOU WANT TO MAKE MOVIES, BURN DVDS OF YOUR MOVIES. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE MUSIC THERE'S NO BETTER PLATFORM. UM IF YOU WANT AND THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE. THIS HAS CHANGED. IF YOU WANT TO BE A PROGRAMMER OR LEARN ABOUT UNIX LEARN ABOUT HOW THE WEB WORKS A MAC IS ACTUALLY A BETTER CHOICE THAN WINDOWS IN MY OPINION BECAUSE IT COMES WITH ALL THESE PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES FREE. IT COMES WITH UNIX UNDER THE HOOD. THAT'S WHAT'S RUNNING IS RUNNING ON THE MAC. UM I THINK IN TERMS OF BECOMING A COMPUTER SCIENTIST A MAC IS A BETTER CHOICE BELIEVE IT OR NOT. ON THE OTHER HAND IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO BUSINESS WINDOWS IS A BETTER CHOICE. IF YOU, YOU KNOW YOU'LL NEED TO KNOW EXCEL AND, AND WORD AND YOU'LL NEED TO KNOW HOW TO USE WINDOWS IF YOU'RE GONNA GO INTO BUSINESS. SO IT IS A TOUGH CHOICE AND UNFORTUNATELY YOU, YOU HAVE YOU WANT THING THAT'S BETTER ON WINDOWS AND ONE THING THAT'S BETTER ON MAC. SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER. IF GAMING IS SOMEWHAT IMPORTANT TO YOU BUT NOT THE, NOT THE END OF THE LINE FOR YOU I WOULD SAY GET A MAC AND RUN WINDOWS ON THE MAC AH AS WELL AS MACINTOSH. AND WHAT'LL HAPPEN I THINK YOU'LL FIND IS YOU'LL, YOU'LL KIND OF START PHASING OUT THE MAC, THE WINDOWS SIDE AND START USING MORE AND MORE MACINTOSH IN MY OPINION. ARE YOU BUYING THIS OR YOU'RE A STUDENT YES?
Marc: AH YEAH.
Leo: ARE YOU BUYING THIS WITH YOUR MONEY?
Marc: UM YEAH PROBABLY.
Leo: YEAH THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION. UM ON THE IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF WINDOWS SOFTWARE YOU WON'T NEED TO BUY IT AGAIN IF YOU GO WITH WINDOWS. ON THE OTHER HAND IF YOU BUY A MAC YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUY NEW SOFTWARE. YOU KNOW MICROSOFT OFFICE FOR INSTANCE FOR THE MAC SO THAT'S GONNA ADD TO THE OVERALL COST OF THE EQUATION. I HATE TO SAY IT BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE A WINDOWS GUY. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE A WINDOWS GUY EITHER.
Marc: YEAH.
Leo: YOU WANT ME TO TALK ME OUT OF IT DON'T YOU?
Marc: WELL CAUSE I KIND OF LIKE THE, I YOU KNOW CAUSE I JUST REALLY LIKE THE FACT THAT MAC HAVE LIKE ALL THESE NEW, NEW FEATURES AND STUFF.
Leo: YEAH WELL I USE MOST, I USE BOTH. [Pop captions up]
Leo: AND I USE MOSTLY MAC AND WHEN I'M DAY TO DAY COMPUTING I USE MAC. WHEN I NEED WINDOWS I OFTEN WILL USE WINDOWS ON THE MAC NOT ON THE WINDOWS MACHINE. THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS THAT I KEEP WINDOWS AROUND FOR, MY AUDIO EDITING SOFTWARE FOR INSTANCE. [Pop captions down]
Leo: UM GAMING FOR INSTANCE. BUT YOU KNOW GAMING IS NOT GONNA GET, GONNA GET YOU AHEAD IN LIFE. GAMING'S JUST FOR FUN. SO HERE'S WHAT I WOULD DO. I WOULD TALK YOUR DAD INTO GETTING A PLAYSTATION 3 OR AN XBOX 360 GAME ON THAT AND GET A MAC FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. SAY DAD I'LL DO MORE HOMEWORK. I'LL WORK HARDER. I'M GONNA GET BETTER GRADES IF I HAVE THE MAC. BUT I NEED THOSE GAMES. MAYBE YOU GET ME AN XBOX 360, SPRING FOR AN XBOX 360 DAD, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MAYBE HE'LL GO FOR THAT.
Marc: OKAY.
Leo: THEN YOU GET TO PLAY HALO. HALO 3. HEY THANKS FOR THE CALL, GOOD LUCK.
Marc: OKAY GOOD, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
Leo: YEAH I SAY STICK WITH THE MAC. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE A MAC GUY. YOU KNOW THERE'S PLENTY OF GAMES. I PLAY ENOUGH, I PLAY ENOUGH GAMES ON THE MAC TO SURVIVE. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SUFFERING. HEY COMING UP IN JUST A LITTLE BIT CRAIG SYVERSON IS GONNA SHOW YOU MAYBE A REASON TO GO WITH A MAC. IF YOU'RE BORED WITH THOSE POWERPOINT SLIDES YOU'VE SEEN THEM A HUNDRED TIMES KEYNOTE IS THE WAY TO GO. [Pop captions up]
Leo: IT'S A NEW PRESENTATION PROGRAM, RELATIVELY NEW PRESENTATION PROGRAM ON THE MACINTOSH AND IT'S AWESOME. KEYNOTE 101 WITH CRAIG SYVERSON COMING UP. YOU STAY RIGHT HERE. [MUSIC] [Pop captions down] [Commercial break] [MUSIC]
Leo: WELCOME BACK TO "THE LAB". CRAIG SYVERSON IS HERE. HE IS THE MEDIA GRUNT. HE KNOWS ALL. HE TELLS ALL. YOUR BACKGROUND JUST BEFORE WE GET INTO KEYNOTE --
Craig Syverson: YEAH.
Leo: IS FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE RIGHT?
Craig Syverson: MMM-HMM, RIGHT.
Leo: YOU WORKED AT IDEO.
Craig Syverson: IDEO FOR TEN YEARS.
Leo: WHICH IS ONE OF THE PREMIER DESIGN FIRMS KNOWN FOR INDUSTRIAL DESIGN MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT?
Craig Syverson: RIGHT, RIGHT.
Leo: SO DID YOU DESIGN PHYSICAL OBJECTS?
Craig Syverson: NO I'M NOT ACTUALLY A DESIGNER. [Pop captions up]
Craig Syverson: I WENT IN THERE AND ACTUALLY STARTED THE VIDEO GROUP THERE.
Leo: OH INTERESTING.
Craig Syverson: USING VIDEO AS A WAY TO PROTOTYPE SERVICES BECAUSE IDEO EXPANDED THEIR WORK. [Pop captions down]
Leo: THEY WERE BRANCHING OUT.
Craig Syverson: YEAH TO DO SERVICES AS WELL AS PRODUCTS.
Leo: OH NEAT.
Craig Syverson: YEAH.
Leo: THAT MUST HAVE BEEN REALLY FUN.
Craig Syverson: IT WAS A BLAST.
Leo: WELL YOU CAN LEARN A LOT OF WHAT CRAIG KNOWS FROM HIS WEBSITE WHERE HE PODCASTS ON PODCASTING.
Craig Syverson: MMM-HMM.
Leo: ON VIDEO, MEDIA IN GENERAL.
Craig Syverson: MMM-HMM.
Leo: WHAT'S THE LATEST ONE IS THE, IS THE VC CAST.
Craig Syverson: VENTURECAST.
Leo: VENTURECAST YEAH.
Craig Syverson: IT'S AN AUDIO PROGRAM WITH DAVID HORNICK.
Leo: THAT'S A NEAT IDEA.
Craig Syverson: WE HAVE A GREAT TIME.
Leo: YEAH.
Craig Syverson: YEAH WE JUST GOOF OFF. BUT IT'S SOME -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: AND THEY SHOULD, SHOULD THEY GO TO PODGRUNT.COM OR?
Craig Syverson: IT'S AT GRUNTMEDIA.COM.
Leo: GRUNTMEDIA.COM.
Craig Syverson: ALL GRUNT SHOWS THAT I DO ARE ON THE HOMEPAGE. [Both talking at once]
Leo: RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: YEAH. [Pop captions up]
Leo: NOW WHEN YOU GIVE PRESENTATIONS I KNOW YOU DO A LOT OF SPEECHES.
Craig Syverson: YEAH.
Leo: HE'S ONE OF THE BEST SPEECHMAKERS I'VE EVER SEEN BECAUSE YOU'RE SO ADEPT WITH YOUR SLIDES. WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
Craig Syverson: YEAH.
Leo: THE TOOL YOU USE IS NOT POWERPOINT.
Craig Syverson: RIGHT.
Leo: DID YOU START USING POWERPOINT?
Craig Syverson: NEVER USED IT.
Leo: NEVER USED IT.
Craig Syverson: I'VE USED IT A LITTLE BIT ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO. [Pop captions down]
Leo: APPLE INTRODUCED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO --
Craig Syverson: YEAH.
Leo: WITH THEIR IWORK PACKAGE --
Craig Syverson: MMM-HMM.
Leo: SOMETHING CALLED KEYNOTE.
Craig Syverson: RIGHT.
Leo: WHICH IS NOT A POWERPOINT CLONE BUT IT IS A PRESENTATION TOOL. [Pop captions up]
Craig Syverson: IT IS AND THERE'S MANY SIMILARITIES. IN FACT YOU CAN IMPORT POWERPOINTS INTO KEYNOTE. YOU CAN EXPORT POWERPOINTS OUT OF IT SO THERE IS A SIMILARITY THERE. BUT IT IS A PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCE IN A WAY.
Leo: HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT?
Craig Syverson: IT'S MOSTLY DUE TO THE MAC OS BECAUSE THE MAC OS HAS SUCH INHERENTLY STRONG GRAPHIC GUTS INSIDE OF THE CORE OF. [Pop captions down]
Leo: RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: CORE ANIMATION, YOU KNOW CORE VIDEO. SO THE WAY THAT THE SLIDES TURN OUT IN KEYNOTE ARE SO MUCH MORE VISUALLY BEAUTIFUL.
Leo: RIGHT, RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: THEY'RE, THEY'RE SOFTENED. THE, THE EDGES ARE SMOOTHER. IT'S JUST A WHOLE SMOOTHER EXPERIENCE THAN POWERPOINT.
Leo: I THINK TO SOME DEGREE THIS WAS DEVELOPED FOR STEVE JOBS CAUSE OF COURSE HE'S THE KING OF KEYNOTE PRESENTATIONS.
Craig Syverson: MMM-HMM.
Leo: AND HE NEEDED A, A PROGRAM TO DO THAT WITH.
Craig Syverson: YEAH.
Leo: AND SO I THINK MY SENSE IS THAT APPLE KIND OF DEVELOPED THIS IN HOUSE FOR A WHILE USING STEVE AS THEIR GUINEA PIG --
Craig Syverson: UH-HUH.
Leo: AND EVENTUALLY RELEASED IT AS A PRODUCT.
Craig Syverson: RIGHT AND IT'S THEY'RE VERY GENTLY CREATING A YOU KNOW A MICROSOFT OFFICE SUITE OF PRODUCTS.
Leo: UH-HUH, UH-HUH.
Craig Syverson: LIKE KEYNOTE AND PAGES AND THERE'S RUMOUR OF A SPREADSHEET PROGRAM COMING UP.
Leo: YEAH.
Craig Syverson: LEOPARD SO - -
Leo: INTERESTING.
Craig Syverson: I, I DON'T USE OFFICE.
Leo: WELL SHOW US NOW GIVE US A LITTLE KEYNOTE INTRODUCTION HERE.
Craig Syverson: YEAH WE'LL, WE'LL --
Leo: RIGHT AWAY IT LOOKS LIKE POWERPOINT RIGHT FROM THE TOP. [Pop captions up]
Craig Syverson: YES AND THIS IS A BLANK SLIDE AND I'M GOING OVER HERE TO SAFARI AND HERE'S A VERY FAMILIAR WEBSITE "LAB WITH LEO". [Pop captions down]
Leo: YEAH. [Whistles]
Craig Syverson: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW YOU COULD DO THIS BUT I'M GONNA GRAB THIS URL DROP IT IN THERE --
Leo: OH INTERESTING.
Craig Syverson: AND VOILA.
Leo: NOW YOU HAVE A WEBPAGE --
Craig Syverson: I HAVE A WEBPAGE.
Leo: IN YOUR PRESENTATION. THAT'S A SLIDE.
Craig Syverson: IT'S A SLIDE.
Leo: NOW IS IT STATIC? IS IT JUST A PICTURE OF THE PAGE?
Craig Syverson: IT IS A LIVE PAGE SINCE WE'RE ON, ON THE WEB HERE. SO IF THIS UPDATES SO WILL THAT SLIDE WHEN PLAYED.
Leo: INTERESTING.
Craig Syverson: YEAH.
Leo: NOW IF YOU'RE GIVING A SPEECH OFFLINE IT'S GONNA BE STUCK THE WAY IT IS.
Craig Syverson: IT'S GONNA BE STUCK THE WAY IT IS AND I WOULD MAYBE TAKE AN IMAGE OF THIS --
Leo: RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: OR A PNG OF THIS.
Leo: RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: WHATEVER. BUT SO LET'S SAY I WANT TO, TO DO A LITTLE PRESENTATION OF WHAT I DID IN VANCOUVER LAST WEEK RIGHT.
Leo: OKAY GOOD.
Craig Syverson: SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA BRING IN A SHAPE AND I'M CREATING A SQUARE AND WHAT I, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS SORT OF BLOCK OUT THIS PART OF THIS PAGE. SO I'M GONNA BUILD THIS BOX.
Leo: OKAY.
Craig Syverson: AND THIS INSPECTOR IS SORT OF HOW YOU CONTROL ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. SO I'VE HAD THAT BOX SELECTED SO I'M BASICALLY WHAT I'M GONNA DO NOW I'M GONNA TAKE THE STROKE OFF SO.
Leo: THERE'S NO LINE AROUND IT.
Craig Syverson: THERE'S NO LINE AROUND IT. SO I'M GONNA MOVE THIS ASIDE HERE. SO NOW WE HAVE A NICE WHITE BOX. AND WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO ANIMATE THAT TO MOVE IN YOU KNOW AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SLIDE. I WANT IT RATHER THAN JUST APPEAR I WANT IT TO SORT OF SLIDE IN.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Craig Syverson: SO THERE ARE BUILDS IN THIS PROGRAM THAT YOU CAN TELL IT WHAT TO DO AND THIS IS THE SAME WITH POWERPOINT.
Leo: RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: SO I'M GONNA SAY MOVE IN RIGHT TO LEFT.
Leo: THAT'S FROM WHERE IT WILL BE COMING RIGHT?
Craig Syverson: YEAH. FOR ABOUT THREE-QUARTERS OF A SECOND. AND THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE PREVIEW, THIS LITTLE WINDOW GIVES YOU A LITTLE MICRO- PREVIEW OF THE BUILD.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Craig Syverson: WHICH IS REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE SOME OF MY SLIDES HAVE 50 BILLETS TO THEM.
Leo: RIGHT, RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: AND IT GETS PRETTY COMPLICATED. UM AND THEN ANOTHER THING WHAT I WOULD DO INSTEAD OF SO IF I PLAY THIS BACK WE'LL SEE THAT WHEN I PRESS THE BUTTON TO GO - -
Leo: IT SLIDES IN.
Craig Syverson: IT SLIDES IN, OKAY. BUT TO BE SLIGHTLY MORE ELEGANT I'D ACTUALLY RATHER HAVE IT SHOW, SHOW PART OF THAT WEBPAGE THAT IT'S COVERING BEFORE IT FULLY COVERS IT.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Craig Syverson: SO VERY QUICKLY I'M GOING TO COPY THIS WHITE BLOCK AND I'M GONNA TELL THIS WHITE BLOCK THAT COMES IN --
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Craig Syverson: INITIALLY I WANT IT TO HAVE AN OPACITY LEVEL THAT'S LET'S SAY LIKE THAT.
Leo: OH THIS IS A LITTLE FINESSE WE'RE ADDING.
Craig Syverson: A LITTLE FINESSE WE'RE ADDING. THEN WHAT I'M GONNA HAVE IS THIS ONE TOP OF IT IT'S GONNA DISSOLVE IN. LOOK AT THESE GUIDELINES. THIS IS A REALLY NICE FEATURE.
Leo: IT JUMPS RIGHT TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
Craig Syverson: IT SNAPS TO THINGS.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Craig Syverson: AND I'M FINDING THAT I'M DOING A LOT OF LAYOUT AND GRAPHIC DESIGN USING KEYNOTE JUST TO BUILD OBJECTS.
Leo: RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: BECAUSE OF THE ALIGNMENT THINGS THAT ARE SO NICE.
Leo: SO QUICKLY.
Craig Syverson: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
Craig Syverson: AND SO FOR THIS GUY NOW I DID A DUPLICATION OF THAT, OF THAT WHITE BOX. IT INHERITED THE BUILD OF MOVING IN.
Leo: BECAUSE YOU COPIED IT.
Craig Syverson: BECAUSE I COPIED IT AND THAT'S A REALLY POWERFUL FEATURE THAT IT'S REALLY YOU CAN REALLY USE THAT.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Craig Syverson: BUT INSTEAD OF MOVING IN I'M GONNA HAVE IT DISSOLVE IN. SO NOW WHEN WE HIT PLAY WE'LL SEE THAT WHEN THE BOX COMES IN IT'S SOMEWHAT LIGHT AND THEN --
Leo: IT GETS DARKER.
Craig Syverson: IT GETS DARKER. NOW ACTUALLY THE LINE GOES UP BUT YOU GET THE POINT.
Leo: YEP.
Craig Syverson: THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO --
Leo: IT JUMPS RIGHT TO IT.
Craig Syverson: IT SNAPS RIGHT TO IT AND NOW I'M GONNA TELL IT THIS SHAPE I WANT YOU TO BUILD AUTOMATICALLY AFTER THE FIRST ONE COMES IN.
Leo: SO YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PRESS THE KEY AGAIN.
Craig Syverson: BECAUSE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SORT OF A GESTURE --
Leo: RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: THAT I WANT TO SORT OF FIELD THROUGH.
Leo: RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: AND SO HIT THAT BUTTON IN THAT COMES AND THEN THAT'S NICE --
Leo: OH LOOK AT THAT.
Craig Syverson: SO --
Leo: BOY THAT'S PRETTY YEAH.
Craig Syverson: SO IT'S IN A SENSE ZOOMING IN AND ZOOMING OUT TO TELLING PEOPLE OKAY I'M NOW GOING TO COVER UP THIS PART OF THE WEBPAGE.
Leo: RIGHT, LOOK AT THIS.
Craig Syverson: YEAH RIGHT.
Leo: THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT.
Craig Syverson: RIGHT. AND THERE ARE MANY MORE THINGS TOO. YOU KNOW LIKE VERY BRIEFLY I CAN CREATE ANOTHER SHAPE LET'S SAY A, A CIRCLE. I'M GONNA PUT IT ON YOUR HEAD AND I'M GONNA TAKE THE COLOUR OUT OF IT AND I'LL CHANGE THE STROKE OF THE LINE TO SOMETHING RED LET'S SAY.
Leo: SO THIS IS HOW YOU'D HIGHLIGHT SOMETHING.
Craig Syverson: IN A WAY YEAH EXACTLY.
Leo: IF YOU'VE SEEN CRAIG'S SPEECHES YOU'VE SEEN HIM USE THESE TECHNIQUES. I'M REALLY THRILLED TO FIND OUT HOW YOU DO IT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I PLAN TO STEAL.
Craig Syverson: RIGHT.
Leo: AND THERE'S A NICE DOTTED LINE AROUND IT.
Craig Syverson: THERE'S A NICE DOTTED, NOW WHEN I POINT TO GRAB IT I ACCIDENTALLY GRAB THE WEBPAGE.
Leo: OH-OH.
Craig Syverson: AND, AND SO THAT CAN BE KIND OF A, A THING THAT CAN BE A PROBLEM.
Leo: UH-HUH.
Craig Syverson: SO I'M I HAD THE WEBPAGE SELECTED I'M GONNA CLICK LOCK AND NOW --
Leo: UH-HUH.
Craig Syverson: IT'S NOT GONNA GRAB THE WEBPAGE.
Leo: IT CAN NEVER GRAB IT.
Craig Syverson: RIGHT UNTIL I UNLOCK IT AGAIN.
Leo: RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: SO THEN IT MAKES THAT MANIPULATION OF THINGS ON TOP OF THAT LAYER MUCH EASIER. SO THERE'S A CIRCLE THERE AND I WILL TELL IT IN ITS BUILD I WANT YOU TO MOVE IN FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.
Leo: SO EVEN THAT'S GONNA COME ONTO THE PAGE.
Craig Syverson: RIGHT AND --
Leo: NOW I NOTICE YOU USE THREE-QUARTERS OF A SECOND. THAT'S KIND OF YOUR DEFAULT FOR --
Craig Syverson: IT KIND OF IT REALLY DEPENDS.
Leo: YEAH.
Craig Syverson: JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE, ON THE, ON THE VIBE.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Craig Syverson: NOW FOR THIS ONE DO IT AUTOMATICALLY AFTER THE SECOND BUILD BUT WAIT A HALF A SECOND AFTER THAT SECOND BUILD.
Leo: OKAY.
Craig Syverson: SO WHEN WE GO HERE AND WE RUN IT --
Leo: NOW THAT DOES -- [Both talking at once]
Craig Syverson: THAT COMES IN PHASE AND THEN --
Leo: AND THEN THERE IT COMES.
Craig Syverson: IT DROPS DOWN SO.
Leo: YOU CAN EVEN MAKE THAT BOUNCE. I REMEMBER THERE'S A LITTLE --
Craig Syverson: YEAH.
Leo: STEVE LIKES TO THE LITTLE BOUNCY --
Craig Syverson: YEAH SOMETIMES THOSE THINGS GET A LITTLE TOO --
Leo: A LITTLE TOO MUCH.
Craig Syverson: A LITTLE TOO CHEESEY RIGHT.
Leo: YOU'RE GOOD ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE GOOD ABOUT KIND OF ELIMINATING THE KIND OF FRILLY THINGS AND REALLY FOCUSING ON THE CONTENT.
Craig Syverson: RIGHT.
Leo: IT'S STILL ENTERTAINING BUT IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF FRIPPERY.
Craig Syverson: IT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARY.
Leo: YEAH.
Craig Syverson: IT'S LIKE IN VIDEO EDITING. YOU KNOW WE DON'T USE ANYTHING BUT DISSOLVES AND CUTS.
Leo: YEAH, RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: WE DON'T DO STAR WIPES --
Leo: RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: AND YOU KNOW BOUNCES CAUSE IT JUST GETS A LITTLE SILLY AFTER A WHILE.
Leo: YOU CAN TELL WHEN SOMEBODY'S NEW TO A COMPUTER AND COMPUTER TOOLS --
Craig Syverson: IT'S ALL THERE.
Leo: WHETHER IT'S DESKTOP PUBLISHING AND 800 FONTS ON ONE PAGE.
Craig Syverson: RIGHT.
Leo: OR VIDEO EDITING WITH A LOT OF WEIRD TRANSITIONS.
Craig Syverson: YEAH.
Leo: OR POWERPOINT OR KEYNOTE WHERE THEY START DOING WEIRD THINGS.
Craig Syverson: YEAH.
Leo: JUST CAUSE THEY CAN.
Craig Syverson: EXACTLY.
Leo: RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: BUT THE OTHER NICE THING LIKE WE SAW THIS INTEGRATION WITH WEBPAGES. BUT YOU KNOW WITH KEYNOTE I CAN EXPORT A QUICK TIME MOVIE --
Leo: YOU CAN EVEN PUT VIDEOS, MOVIES IN THERE.
Craig Syverson: AND MOVIES IN THERE LIKE I'VE DONE ON THE SHOW HERE.
Leo: RIGHT.
Craig Syverson: SO IT'S VERY FLEXIBLE IN THAT WAY. I USE THAT A LOT TO IF SOMETHING IF I CAN'T MAKE SOMETHING WORK IN KEYNOTE I'LL TAKE A SCREECH OUT OF SOMETHING AND MASK IT OVER AN EXISTING THING --
Leo: PLAY WITH IT.
Craig Syverson: AND MAKE IT FADE SO I CAN HAVE THE WEIRD THINGS HAPPEN --
Leo: VERY INTERESTING.
Craig Syverson: SEEMINGLY BY MAGIC. BUT IT'S JUST WORKING WITH LITTLE HACKS CAUSE IT'S REALLY VERY FLEXIBLE.
Leo: YOU SHOULD WRITE A BOOK.
Craig Syverson: KEYNOTE HACKAGE.
Leo: YEAH, YEAH YOU'RE CAUSE YOU'RE THE KING. THERE'S NOBODY BETTER.
Craig Syverson: WELL THANK YOU.
Leo: CRAIG SYVERSON HE'S AT MEDIAGRUNT.COM. LOTS OF PODCASTS THERE, MORE INFORMATION. [Pop captions up]
Leo: AND WE'LL HAVE NOTES ABOUT USING KEYNOTE ON OUR WEBSITE LABWITHLEO.COM. THANK YOU CRAIG I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
Craig Syverson: THANK YOU.
Leo: NOW IT'S TIME TO ZOOM IN ON SOMETHING, SOMETHING COMMONLY FOUND AROUND "THE LAB". WE CALL IT WHAT THE TECH IS THIS? TAKE A LOOK HERE. LET'S SEE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S -- [Talking background]
Leo: THE LITTLE IT'S THE HOUSE BUTTON OR MAYBE IT'S A HOUSE MUSIC GENERATOR. I DON'T KNOW. LET'S THINK ABOUT IT. WE'LL COME BACK FROM THE BREAK AND ZOOM OUT TO FIND OUT AS "THE LAB" CONTINUES. [MUSIC] [Pop captions down] [Commercial break] [MUSIC] [Pop captions up]
Leo: WELCOME BACK TO "THE LAB WITH LEO". BEFORE THE BREAK WE SHOWED YOU THIS CLOSEUP MACRO PHOTO OF SOMETHING COMMONLY FOUND AROUND "THE LAB". WHAT IS IT? LET'S ZOOM OUT. OH I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT'S A PALM TREO. [Pop captions down]
Leo: I WOULD NOT HAVE GUESSED. I WOULD NOT HAVE GUESSED. LET'S GET ANOTHER CALL ON THE AIR HERE. KATE ABRAHAM WHO DO YOU HAVE FOR ME TODAY?
Kate: WE ARE GOING ALL THE WAY TO TASMANIA --
Leo: ALL RIGHT.
Kate: FROM HOBART AND THIS IS ERIC.
Leo: I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING ALL THE WAY TO TASMANIA. [Pop captions up]
Leo: HELLO ERIC.
Eric: GOOD DAY LEO AND HOW'S IT GOING?
Leo: IT'S GOING GREAT. HOW ARE YOU TODAY?
Eric: OH I'M NOT BAD.
Leo: GREAT.
Eric: IT'S A BIT EARLY DOWN IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD OF COURSE.
Leo: WELL THANKS FOR GETTING UP SO EARLY. I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT FOR US. WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU? [Pop captions down]
Eric: AH NO PROBLEM. UM COMING BACK FROM A TRIP RECENTLY I BOUGHT A, A MAGAZINE WITH THE COVER WAS -- TO UBUNTU LINUX.
Leo: YES.
Eric: AND DECIDED TO INSTALL IT.
Leo: OH COOL.
Eric: AND I HAVE TO SAY IT'S GREAT.
Leo: COOL. I'M GLAD YOU DID IT. THAT'S GREAT. [Both talking at once]
Eric: THAT'S THE THIRD TIME I'VE HAD --
Leo: YEAH.
Eric: YEAH. I HAVE TO SAY IT'S THE THIRD TIME I'VE HAD A LINUX DISTRIBUTION THAT'S ACTUALLY HAD AUDIO RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX. SO I'M PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH THAT.
Leo: RIGHT, RIGHT.
Eric: THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM I HAVE THOUGH IS TRYING TO INSTALL WIRELESS DRIVERS FOR IT.
Leo: RIGHT. [Pop captions up]
Eric: AND I WORK OUT ON --
Leo: OKAY.
Eric: THE BIG ISSUE IS TRYING TO GET IT ONTO THE COMPUTER BECAUSE UBUNTU IS AT 7.04 -- DOESN'T SEEM TO COME WITH NDISWRAPPER OUT OF THE BOX.
Leo: NO.
Eric: I'VE TRIED DOWNLOADING THE TARBALL AND HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT AND HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT -- IN PACKAGES.
Leo: WELL BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR DOWN THIS ROAD LET ME MAKE SURE YOU DO NEED NDISWRAPPER. [Pop captions down]
Leo: THE IDEA OF NDISWRAPPER IS IT ALLOWS YOU TO USE WINDOWS DRIVERS ON LINUX. THIS IS KIND OF THE PROBLEM FOR LINUX. UM WHEN A COMPANY MAKES A PIECE OF HARDWARE THEY MAKE DARN SURE TO INCLUDE WINDOWS DRIVERS RIGHT. THAT'S, THAT'S JOB ONE. LINUX IS KIND OF LOWER DOWN ON THE LIST AND MANY COMPANIES DON'T PROVIDE LINUX DRIVERS FOR THEIR HARDWARE. AS AN EXAMPLE UBUNTU AND A LOT OF LINUXES HAVE TROUBLE WITH WI-FI NETWORKING BECAUSE BROADCOM AND THE OTHER COMPANIES DON'T ALWAYS OR OFTEN DON'T MAKE DRIVERS AND BECAUSE THIS STUFF IS FAIRLY NEW OR MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S FAIRLY TRICKY I'M NOT SURE, UM THIRD PARTY LINUX PEOPLE HAVEN'T MADE DRIVERS EITHER. BUT THE FIRST THING TO DO WHEN YOU INSTALL UBUNTU AND YOU WANT TO GET WI-FI WORKING IS TO FIGURE OUT WHICH CHIPSET YOU HAVE. HAVE YOU FIGURED THAT OUT YET?
Eric: YEAH I HAVE. IT'S A BELKIN I02.11B.
Leo: OKAY.
Eric: NETWORK CARD SERIES -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: YOU NEED TO KNOW THOUGH WHAT --
Eric: 80180.
Leo: YEAH BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT BELKIN IS USING AS THEIR REAL CHIPSET.
Eric: YEAH IT'S THE REALTEK 8180.
Leo: REALTEK YOU SAID THAT. I'M SORRY. I JUST DIDN'T HEAR YOU. OKAY REALTEK.
Eric: YEAH IT'S REALTEK 80180. [Pop captions up]
Leo: SO WHAT YOU DO THEN AND YOU PROBABLY IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THIS IS YOU GO ON AND YOU ON THE WEB AND YOU TYPE REALTEK 80180 AND UBUNTU FEISTY FAWN AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S REQUIRED. [Pop captions down]
Leo: AND I THINK WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS THAT ALMOST ANY WIRELESS CARD OR WIRELESS CHIPSET SOMEBODY WILL HAVE WRITTEN A PAGE ON HOW DO WE GET THIS THING TO WORK? HAVE YOU DONE THAT ALREADY?
Eric: THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE I HAVE. YEAH I MEAN THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE ISSUES I HAVE IS THAT IF YOU FOLLOW THE, THE TRAILS FROM FOR INSTANCE THE, THE HELP PAGE FROM UBUNTU --
Leo: RIGHT.
Eric: THROUGH TO NDISWRAPPER THE INFORMATION GIVES AN INDICATION THAT YOU NEED AN NDISWRAPPER COMMON, COMMON. SEND IT TO THE NDISWRAPPER WEBSITE AND OF COURSE THERE'S NO NDISWRAPPER COMMONLY.
Leo: AH OKAY. UM --
Eric: SO I SUPPOSE IT'S MORE THAT THE, THE SOFTWARE'S THE HELP FILES HAVEN'T GIVEN LEVELS OF BEING UPDATED.
Leo: YEAH EXACTLY AND THIS IS ANOTHER ISSUE AND THIS IS BY THE WAY WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THESE STORIES THIS IS WHY LINUX ISN'T QUITE YET A DESKTOP OPERATING SYSTEM. AND FRANKLY UBUNTU FEISTY FAWN THE LATEST VERSION IS SO GOOD AND THIS SEEMS TO BE THE ONE REMAINING THING THAT IT JUST IS HAVING TROUBLE FOR TROUBLE WITH IS GETTING THESE WI-FI CARDS WORKING. THERE IS A SOURCE FORGE PROJECT I MIGHT ADD TO CREATE A DRIVER FOR THE 80180 CHIPSET. UM AND THAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE KIND OF THE HACK OF GETTING THE NDISWRAPPER WORKING. THAT PROJECT IS ON SOURCEFORGE. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR ALONG IT IS. WE'LL PUT A LINK IN THE SHOWNOTES. IT LOOKS LIKE THIS HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE MAY SO IT MAYBE KIND OF STALLED AT THIS POINT. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THEY'VE GOTTEN. UM IN TERMS OF THE NDISWRAPPER YOU KNOW I, I REALLY I WISH WE HAD MARCEL GAGNE OR ONE OF OUR LINUX GURUS HERE TO GIVE YOU THE STEP BY STEP ON HOW TO GET THE NDISWRAPPER WORKING. I'VE NEVER HAD TO USE IT. I'VE BEEN VERY LUCKY. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET WI-FI WORKING AND EVERYTHING WITH UBUNTU WITHOUT DOING THAT. ALL I CAN SAY IS YOU KNOW IN GENERAL WHEN YOU USE THESE TOOLS THEY COME IN TWO FORMS YOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS. ONE IS BINARY AND ONE IS A SOURCE CODE THAT YOU COMPILE. IT AND THEN THE ISSUES THAT OFTEN COME UP WITH THE SOURCE CODE VERSIONS IS DEPENDENCIES AND I BET YOU THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE RUNNING UP AGAINST. THE IT NEEDS ADDITIONAL OTHER LIBRARY FILES OR OTHER SOFTWARE TO WORK WITH IT, UM --
Eric: YEAH AS I SAID I THINK THE TARBALL WAS PARTLY A SOURCE FILE COMPILING WITH THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE THERE.
Leo: YEAH.
Eric: AS I COMPILE.
Leo: YEAH. I WOULD, I WOULD A TARBALL CAN, CAN BE SOURCE OR BINARY YOU HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE. USUALLY IT'S BINARY IT'S A SOURCE THAT YOU WOULD COMPILE YOURSELF. I WOULD LOOK AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND A BINARY THAT WORKS ON YOUR PARTICULAR HARDWARE. UM I, I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY SPECIFICS ON, ON HOW TO DO IT. IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SHOW ANYWAY. IT WOULD TAKE A WHILE TO EXPLAIN.
Eric: YEAH.
Leo: UM I THERE ARE YOU KNOW THERE ARE AS YOU KNOW AS UBUNTUGUY.ORG AND A LOT OF OTHER SITES HAVE HOW TOS ON GETTING NDISWRAPPER WORKING. THEN OF COURSE THAT'S ONLY THE FIRST PART BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO GET THE, THE DRIVER FOR YOUR CARD AND YOU HAVE TO GET THAT WORKING AND THAT MAY NOT BE THAT EASY TO DO. I WOULD, I WOULD GO TO UBUNTUGUY.ORG. IT'S THERE'S A WIKI PAGE ON GETTING NDISWRAPPER WORKING. [Pop captions up]
Leo: AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PRETTY COMPLETE. THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN HERE.
Eric: YEAH.
Leo: I WOULD SAY IS THIS HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THIS PAGE? [Pop captions down]
Eric: I HAVE AND --
Leo: AH.
Eric: I MEAN TO, TO TELL THE TRUTH I HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO GET IT WORKING BUT IT WAS A DAY'S WORTH OF WORK.
Leo: YEAH AND THIS IS WHY LINUX ISN'T REALLY READY YET CAUSE GRANDMA AIN'T GONNA DO THAT. I WISH IT WERE.
Eric: YEAH.
Leo: SO YOU HAVE GOT IT WORKING NOW?
Eric: I HAVE.
Leo: AND HOW IS IT WORKING PRETTY RELIABLY?
Eric: AH YEAH ABSOLUTELY RELIABLE. UM IT DID INVOLVE A LITTLE BIT OF MAD LINE AS WELL AS TOOLS.
Leo: THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH THAT'S, THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM.
Eric: IT, IT INVOLVED UNPLUGGING IT ALSO INVOLVED PLUGGING THE WIRELESS THE WICARD STRAIGHT INTO THE, THE ROUTER.
Leo: OH OKAY. BOY IT SOUNDS --
Eric: AND SO THAT I THINK I USED AUTOMATICS TO DOWNLOAD NDISWRAPPER EVENTUALLY.
Leo: WOW. HEY IF YOU CAN SEND ME A NOTE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE PAGE YOU FOUND TO HELP, HELP EXPLAIN THAT I'D BE GLAD TO PUT THAT IN THE SHOWNOTES FOR OTHERS WHO ARE GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING.
Eric: NO PROBLEM.
Leo: ALL RIGHT I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. IT'S GREAT TO TALK TO YOU. GLAD YOU GOT IT WORKING.
Eric: OKAY.
Leo: AND AH EVERYBODY WHO IS WATCHING GOING OH I'M NOT WE'RE NOT GONNA USE LINUX DON'T WORRY. IT'S NOT USUALLY LIKE THAT. MOST OF THE TIME IT'S EASIER.
Eric: YEAH I MEAN TO TELL THE TRUTH IF THERE HADN'T BEEN A WIRELESS CONNECTION IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HALF AN HOUR TO PROBABLY GET IT WORKING STRAIGHT AWAY.
Leo: EXACTLY. FOR SOME REASON THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT FEISTY FAWN DOESN'T QUITE GET RIGHT. HEY I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CALLING. IT'S GREAT TALKING TO YOU. WE'RE HOPING TO COME TO TASMANIA SOME TIME IN 2008.
Eric: NO PROBLEM.
Leo: I HOPE YOU'LL COME BY AND SAY HI.
Eric: YEAH GIVE ME A CALL WHEN YOU DO.
Leo: WE WILL.
Eric: NOT A PROBLEM.
Leo: ALL RIGHT, TAKE CARE, BYE-BYE.
Eric: BYE.
Leo: HEY LET'S COME OVER TO SEAN NOW WHO'S DANCING UP A STORM WITH HIS NEW SODA FOUNTAIN. WHAT IS THAT?
Sean Carruthers: WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS IS LEO?
Leo: IT'S A DISPENSER OF SOME KIND.
Sean Carruthers: IT IS A DISPENSER IN FACT. IT'S A BATTERY POWERED DISPENSER SO.
Leo: IT'S A BATTERY POWERED WHAT IS IT GONNA DISPENSE?
Sean Carruthers: IT'S GONNA DISPENSE SOAP.
Leo: SOAP, OH COOL.
Sean Carruthers: SOAP SO IF YOU'RE OUT IN THE FIELD AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GET YOUR TAPS ALL DIRTY.
Leo: YEAH, YEAH I LIKE DISPENSERS AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT'S GOOD.
Sean Carruthers: YEAH SO WE'VE GOT THE SWITCH ON THE BACK --
Leo: OFF YEAH.
Sean Carruthers: AND WE CAN SET IT TO --
Leo: ONE SQUIRT?
Sean Carruthers: ONE SQUIRT, TWO SQUIRTS, THREE SQUIRTS OR FOUR SQUIRTS.
Leo: DEPENDING ON HOW DIRTY YOU ARE.
Sean Carruthers: AND, AND YOU HAVE TO SET THIS UP AHEAD OF TIME. [Pop captions up]
Sean Carruthers: AND YOU JUST PUT YOUR HAND UNDERNEATH THERE AND THERE YOU GO. THEN WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME WATER TO -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: I'M REALLY GLAD YOU SET THAT TO FOUR SQUIRTS SEAN.
Sean Carruthers: YEAH NO PROBLEM. [Pop captions down] [Leo laughing]
Sean Carruthers: AND AH AND IF YOU WANT THERE'S ACTUALLY EVEN THERE'S A BUTTON ON THE BACK HERE THAT YOU CAN --
Leo: OH THAT'S GOOD OKAY.
Sean Carruthers: JUST KEEP POURING AND POURING AND POURING.
Leo: FOR WHEN I HAVE TO WASH THE DOG. YOU KNOW YOU COULD HAVE MADE THAT MAPLE SYRUP. [Laughs]
Leo: IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE FUN. OKAY STOP, STOP, STOP! WHAT IS THAT CALLED?
Sean Carruthers: THIS IS THE SIMPLEHUMAN TOUCH-FREE SOAP DISPENSER FOR $40.
Leo: I LIKE IT. $40?
Sean Carruthers: YEAH.
Leo: NOT BAD. YOU KNOW I THINK DICK DEBARTOLA DID A WHOLE SERIES ON TOUCH- FREE DEVICES FOR THE BATHROOM.
Sean Carruthers: MMM-HMM.
Leo: AND AH MAYBE WE'LL JUST HAVE TO ADD THAT TO LIST. THANK YOU SEAN CARRUTHERS WITH A GADGET OF THE DAY EVERY DAY. SOMETIMES THEY'RE WORSE MESSIER THAN OTHERS.
Sean Carruthers: GOT DISHPAN HANDS?
Leo: I DO NOW THANK YOU. YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST LUCKY I'M NOT WIPING, WIPING, WIPING IT ON YOU. COMING UP DO YOU WANT TO MAKE MONEY ON YOUR WEBSITE? YOU CAN. NO AH, AH! JUST STAY TUNED. [Pop captions up]
Leo: JOHN CHOW IS HE'S THE KING OF MAKING MONEY ON THE WEB. HE'S GONNA SHOW US HOW TO USE ADSENSE IN JUST A BIT. RIGHT NOW THOUGH OUR QUICK QUIZ QUESTION OF THE DAY, AHEM. HERE IT IS. [Blank for boards]
Leo: THAT NEW GRAPHICAL WIZZYWIG THING. IS IT -- [Blank for boards]
Leo: GO TO THE WEB. GIVE US THE ANSWER. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT WHEN "THE LAB" CONTINUES. NO, NO MORE SQUIRTING OF SOAP AH, AH! [MUSIC] [Pop captions down] [Commercial break] [MUSIC]
Leo: WELCOME BACK TO "THE LAB". LEO LAPORTE HERE. JOHN CHOW IS BACK, ABOUT 1999 HE STARTED JUST A LITTLE WEBSITE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT BUILDING HIS OWN COMPUTER AND STUFF AND ENDED UP BEING ONE OF THE BIGGEST TECH WEBSITES IN THE WORLD THE TECHZONE.
John Chow: MMM-HMM.
Leo: AND A FEW YEARS AGO HE STARTED HIS OWN BLOG. IT'S NOW ON THE TECHNORATI 100 AND MORE IMPORTANTLY HE'S MAKING A LOT OF MONEY ON IT. SOMETHING LIKE $11,000 A MONTH LAST TIME WE TALKED YEAH?
John Chow: YEAH WELL.
Leo: IS IT GOING UP OR DOWN?
John Chow: IT WENT UP. LAST MONTH IT WAS 12,000-5.
Leo: AMAZING. SO HE'S AN EXPERT ON REALLY MONETIZING A WEBSITE. AH YOU USED GOOGLE ADSENSE INITIALLY ON YOUR, ON YOUR BLOG.
John Chow: YES.
Leo: NOW YOU'VE DISCOVERED THERE ARE MANY OTHER WAYS IN FACT YOU NEED TO USE MANY OTHER WAYS IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE KIND OF MONEY YOU'RE MAKING.
John Chow: EXACTLY YEAH.
Leo: BUT ADSENSE IS A GOOD WAY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO START.
John Chow: FOR MOST PEOPLE YES.
Leo: YEAH.
John Chow: THEY SHOULD START WITH ADSENSE.
Leo: TELL ME ABOUT ADSENSE. WHAT IS IT?
John Chow: WELL ADSENSE IS A PRODUCT OF GOOGLE.
Leo: OKAY. [Pop captions up]
John Chow: AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY SERVE THIS IS ADSENSE RIGHT HERE.
Leo: THOSE ARE THOSE TEXT ADS YOU SEE WHEN YOU'RE --
John Chow: YEAH THEY'RE SORT OF TEXT ADS.
Leo: YEAH. [Pop captions down]
John Chow: AND WHAT MAKES THEM UNIQUE IS THAT THE ADS ARE TARGETED TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OR WHAT YOU'RE WRITING ABOUT. SO IF YOU IF FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU LOOK AT MY TECH SITE HERE THIS IS AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE FASTTRACK.
Leo: UH-HUH.
John Chow: AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE AD LIKE GOOGLE HERE YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL THE ADS HERE ARE RELATED TO MEMORY CARDS, SD MEMORY CARDS.
Leo: SEE THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY'S READING THAT ARTICLE CHANCES ARE THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THAT PRODUCT.
John Chow: THAT'S RIGHT.
Leo: MAYBE EVEN BUYING THAT PRODUCT SO THE ADS APPLY TO WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN.
John Chow: YEAH AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: IT'S GOOD FOR YOU, IT'S GOOD FOR THEM CAUSE THEY SEE STUFF THEY WANT TO SEE. GOOD FOR YOU CAUSE THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO CLICK.
John Chow: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
John Chow: EXACTLY.
Leo: YEAH.
John Chow: AND IF THEY'RE VIEWERS OR THE READERS THEY DON'T MIND IT AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S LIKE VERY TARGETED TO WHAT THEY WANTED.
Leo: IT'S MORE INFORMATION YEAH.
John Chow: IT ISN'T A SPANK THE MONKEY BANNER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
Leo: RIGHT EXACTLY, ENOUGH OF THAT BANNER.
John Chow: YEAH.
Leo: STUPID MONKEY. BUT NOW LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING. HOW DO YOU GET PAYED FOR THAT BANNER AS A WEBHOST AS A WEBSITE?
John Chow: WHEN, WHEN THE READER CLICKS ON THE AD --
Leo: MMM-HMM.
John Chow: AND VISITS THE ADVERTISER GOOGLE CHARGES THE ADVERTISER A COST.
Leo: OKAY.
John Chow: AND GOOGLE SHARES THAT INCOME AND IT MAKES WORTH THE ADVERTISER THAT BEING ME.
Leo: OKAY SO YOU GET PAYED FOR CLICKS BASICALLY.
John Chow: YES, YEAH.
Leo: OH THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD. I MEAN IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE TO BUY THE PRODUCT. THEY JUST HAVE TO GO LOOK AT IT.
John Chow: NO THEY JUST HAVE TO CLICK ON THE AD --
Leo: AND YOU GET PAYED REAL MONEY.
John Chow: BASICALLY THE ADVERTISER AND THAT'S HOW WE GET PAYED.
Leo: YEAH. GOOGLE'S NEVER SAID HOW MUCH OF THE, OF THE TAKE THEY SPLIT WITH YOU.
John Chow: NO. THERE IS AN ADVERTISER'S BID ON THESE WORDS --
Leo: RIGHT.
John Chow: ON THESE ADS.
Leo: RIGHT.
John Chow: AND DEPENDING ON THE SUBJECT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE IT CAN GO UP OR DOWN.
Leo: SO YOU MAKE MORE MONEY IF IT'S A POPULAR SUBJECT.
John Chow: EXACTLY.
Leo: THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND TOO.
John Chow: YEAH. SO MANY PEOPLE, MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY THEY CREATE SITES SPECIFICALLY TARGETED TO THESE HIGH PAYING KEY WORDS.
Leo: OH VERY INTERESTING. IS THERE SOMEWHERE YOU CAN GO TO LEARN WHAT KEY WORDS PAY THE BEST?
John Chow: AH THERE ARE SITES THAT WILL TEACH THAT, THAT WILL TEACH THAT.
Leo: RIGHT.
John Chow: BUT MOST OF THEM ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE --
Leo: RIGHT.
John Chow: IT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO BREAK INTO.
Leo: RIGHT, RIGHT CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE - -
John Chow: YEAH RIGHT.
Leo: CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY IS YEAH.
John Chow: SAME THING YEAH.
Leo: SO MAYBE YOU'D MAKE MORE MONEY BY DOING SOMETHING THAT'S LESS COMPETITIVE.
John Chow: YEAH.
Leo: SO HOW DO I ADD GOOGLE ADS TO MY SITE? FIRST I GUESS I HAVE TO GET AN ACCOUNT RIGHT?
John Chow: WELL FIRST YOU HAVE TO YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
John Chow: AND YOU SIGN UP SOMETHING AT GOOGLE.COM- FORWARD-SLASH ADSENSE. [Pop captions up]
Leo: CAN ANY WEBSITE GET AN ACCOUNT OR DO THEY --
John Chow: WELL THE BEARER'S ENTRY IS EXTREMELY LOW --
Leo: OKAY.
John Chow: SO YEAH PRETTY MUCH ANYONE IF YOUR SITE'S ONLY BEEN UP EVEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AS LONG AS YOU'VE GOT SOME CONTENT ON THERE CHANCES ARE GOOGLE WILL APPROVE YOU.
Leo: THEY DO REVIEW, REVIEW AND APPROVE.
John Chow: THEY DO REVIEW.
Leo: SO YOU'RE NOT GUARANTEED.
John Chow: NO THERE IS NO GUARANTEE. [Pop captions down]
Leo: OKAY.
John Chow: BUT IN MY STUDIES AND IN ALL THE SITES I'VE SET UP THEY'VE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEM --
Leo: YEAH.
John Chow: WITH YOU KNOW --
Leo: YOU THEY SAY.
John Chow: OH.
Leo: HE'S A MONEY MACHINE. [Laughs]
Leo: WHATEVER JOHN CHOW SETS UP WE'RE GONNA BE PART OF THAT.
John Chow: RIGHT.
Leo: SO YOU SET UP AN ACCOUNT.
John Chow: RIGHT.
Leo: YOU GIVE THEM THE SITE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PUT THE ADS ON AND THEY SAY YES OR NO.
John Chow: RIGHT YEAH.
Leo: IN MOST CASES THEY SAY YES.
John Chow: MOST OF THE TIME IT'S YES.
Leo: OKAY.
John Chow: AND ONCE YOU'VE GOT YOUR ACCOUNT SET UP LOGGING INTO THE ACCOUNT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. SETTING UP THE AD IS VERY EASY TO USE. LIKE THIS IS THE AD FOR CONTENT SETUP PAGE.
Leo: OKAY.
John Chow: AND FROM HERE YOU CAN CHOOSE THE COLOUR AS YOU WANT.
Leo: YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER IT.
John Chow: OH YES.
Leo: COLOURS.
John Chow: LIKE BASICALLY HERE YOU CAN CLICK THIS --
Leo: IT'S HORIZONTAL OR --
John Chow: THESE ARE THE SIZE OF THE ADS YOU CHOOSE HERE.
Leo: RIGHT.
John Chow: YOU'VE GOT --
Leo: IS IT BETTER TO HAVE MORE ADS OR FEWER ADS? A BIGGER BANNER OR A SMALLER BANNER?
John Chow: GENERALLY GOOGLE PUTS LIMITS ON YOU.
Leo: RIGHT.
John Chow: YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE MOST THREE --
Leo: OKAY.
John Chow: BANNERS PER PAGE.
Leo: OKAY.
John Chow: AND --
Leo: AND IN EACH BANNER HAVE YOU FOUND, HAVE YOU TESTED ALL THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF BANNERS?
John Chow: YES, YES. THERE'S A, THERE'S LET'S SEE HERE I'VE GOT MY, YEAH THESE ARE ALL THE VARIOUS BANNERS THAT GOOGLE HAS.
Leo: RIGHT. SO THAT'S ALL THE DIFFERENT LOOKS?
John Chow: YEAH.
Leo: OKAY.
John Chow: AND ALL THE DIFFERENT SIZES.
Leo: WHICH ONES WORK BETTER THOUGH? OH THEY EVEN HAVE GRAPHICAL ONES.
John Chow: YEAH THEY HAVE GRAPHICAL BANNERS AS WELL NOW AND --
Leo: YEAH. WHAT'S GONNA MAKE ME THE MOST MONEY? DOES IT MATTER?
John Chow: WELL GENERALLY IT'S JUST TRIAL AND ERROR. YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO EXPERIMENT, LIKE --
Leo: RIGHT CAUSE A LOT IT DEPENDS ON THE LAYOUT OF THE PAGE TOO.
John Chow: YES.
Leo: WHERE PEOPLE'S EYES ARE FALLING AND STUFF.
John Chow: YEAH TO HELP YOU OUT GOOGLE ACTUALLY CREATED THIS -- CALLED A HEAT MAP.
Leo: OH NEAT.
John Chow: AND THIS IS BASED ON I GUESS YOU KNOW GOOGLE'S OWN INFORMATION --
Leo: RIGHT.
John Chow: OF THEIR ADS.
Leo: SO THE REDDER THE BETTER.
John Chow: YEAH THE HOTTER THE BEST.
Leo: OKAY.
John Chow: SO YOU CAN SEE ACCORDING TO GOOGLES PUTTING AD AS CLOSE TO THE PRIMARY CONTENT AS POSSIBLE --
Leo: RIGHT.
John Chow: CREATES THE MOST CLICKS.
Leo: IT MAKES SENSE OF COURSE.
John Chow: AND YOU KNOW ALSO ONE LOOKS LIKE NEAR THE NAVIGATION ALONG THE TOP LEFT. AND THIS WHITE AREA MEANS VERY LITTLE ACTION HERE.
Leo: SO YOU, YOU AND THE DESIGNER OF YOUR PAGE DECIDE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT THOSE BANNERS. WHAT THE BANNERS WILL LOOK LIKE. WHAT SIZE AND SHAPE THEY'LL BE.
John Chow: MMM-HMM.
Leo: HOW MANY THERE'LL BE.
John Chow: YEAH.
Leo: AND THEY GIVE YOU CODE HTML TO PUT IN THERE?
John Chow: YES AFTER YOU, AFTER YOU ENTER THE SIZE OF THE BANNER YOU WANT THE COLOURS YOU WANT GOOGLE GIVES YOU THE CODE.
Leo: THERE IT IS VERY SIMPLE.
John Chow: JUST COPY AND PASTE IT ONTO YOUR WEBPAGE AND THE AD WILL SHOW UP.
Leo: HOW MUCH MONEY AM I GONNA MAKE IF I DO THIS?
John Chow: AH AS IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE, ON THE TOPIC YOU TALK ABOUT.
Leo: RIGHT.
John Chow: THE INVENTORY OF ADS AVAILABLE.
Leo: RIGHT.
John Chow: LIKE ON AVERAGE ANYWHERE FROM FIVE CENTS TO A COUPLE OF DOLLARS PER CLICK.
Leo: PER CLICK?
John Chow: PER CLICK YEAH.
Leo: SO AND THEN HOW MUCH TRAFFIC YOU HAVE AND HOW MUCH THEY CLICK IS GONNA BE RELEVANT AS WELL.
John Chow: EXACTLY.
Leo: NOT EVERYBODY, NOT, NOT EVERYBODY CLICKS OBVIOUSLY.
John Chow: HMM.
Leo: SO THE HIGHER THE PERCENTAGE OF CLICKS THE BETTER.
John Chow: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
John Chow: AND THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO TRY TO INCREASE THE CLICK RATE.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
John Chow: LIKE PLACING THE, USING THE HEAT MAP --
Leo: RIGHT.
John Chow: TO PLACE THE BANNER IN THE MOST TARGETED SPOT --
Leo: MMM-HMM.
John Chow: WHERE PEOPLE WOULD CLICK MORE.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
John Chow: LIKE JUST BY DOING THAT BLENDING THE AD TO THE BACKGROUND OF YOUR SITE SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE AN AD.
Leo: AH.
John Chow: AND ALSO IT CAN INCREASE CLICKS AS WELL AND AH --
Leo: GO TO JOHNCHOW.COM CAUSE HE KNOWS HOW TO --
John Chow: YEAH I --
Leo: HOW MUCH DO YOU MAKE OFF YOUR GOOGLE ADS, MAY I ASK?
John Chow: WELL IT'S ON THE BLOG. I MAKE ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
Leo: THAT'S ABOUT WHAT I MAKE.
John Chow: YEAH.
Leo: THAT SEEMS TO BE LIKE KIND OF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A FEW HUNDRED TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH IS PRETTY TYPICAL ISN'T IT?
John Chow: YEAH.
Leo: ON A VERY BUSY SITE A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
John Chow: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
John Chow: BUT THERE ARE BLOGS OR THERE ARE SITES THAT MAKE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS PER MONTH ON IT.
Leo: WHAT?
John Chow: YEAH.
Leo: REALLY?
John Chow: OH SURE.
Leo: WHAT ARE THEY DOING DIFFERENT?
John Chow: IT'S ALL A MATTER OF TRAFFIC.
Leo: WOW.
John Chow: RIGHT.
Leo: YOU KNOW I WOULDN'T MIND THAT. [Laughs] [Both talking at once]
John Chow: THE MORE TRAFFIC YOU HAVE --
Leo: I COULD REALLY RETIRE YEAH THAT'S RIGHT.
John Chow: THE, THE MORE THE NUMBERS JUMP.
Leo: THAT'S RIGHT. JOHN CHOW'S GREAT. GO TO JOHNCHOW.COM WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF AND DIFFERENT AD CAMPAIGNS YOU CAN USE AND WAYS TO MAKE YOUR MONEY, YOU KNOW I THINK WE'RE NOT SAYING ABOUT GETTING RICH. [Pop captions up]
Leo: YOU KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA MAKE AS MUCH AS JOHN OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND A MONTH. BUT JUST TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR YOUR BLOG AND MAYBE GIVE YOU A LITTLE POCKET MONEY --
John Chow: OH YEAH.
Leo: THAT'S A GREAT THING.
John Chow: IT'S GOOD.
Leo: THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING YEAH. JOHNCHOW.COM FOR MORE INFORMATION. THANK YOU JOHN.
John Chow: OKAY.
Leo: I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
John Chow: NO PROBLEM.
Leo: TAKE CARE. MORE OF YOUR CALLS COMING UP, YOU STAY RIGHT HERE. [MUSIC]
FIVE COMMERCIALS FOUR, THREE, TWO, ONE. [Pop captions down] [Commercial break] [MUSIC]
Kate: WELCOME BACK TO "THE LAB WITH LEO". I'M KATE ABRAHAM AND ITS TIME FOR OUR FACEBOOK APP OF THE DAY. TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROCKETS THAT GO BOOM OR ROCKETBOOM TO YOU AND ME. PRODUCER MATT'S FAVOURITE PODCAST EVER IS ROCKETBOOM.COM.
Leo: REALLY?
Kate: YES IT IS. AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY EMBED IT STRAIGHT INTO YOUR FACEBOOK NOW. BASICALLY IT'S JUST A CASE OF DOWNLOADING THE APPLICATION. [Pop captions up]
Kate: AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF VIEWING IT LARGER, DAILY FEED UPDATES DAILY AND I JUST GIVE YOU SOME AUDIO NOW YOU CAN SEE -- [MUSIC] [Beeping] [Pop captions down]
Kate: YOU CAN ACTUALLY WATCH ROCKETBOOM FROM WITHIN YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE. [Pop captions up]
Kate: FOR MORE INFORMATION GO TO FACEBOOK -- [Blank for boards]
Kate: AND LEO OUR NEXT CALLER IS CHRIS ALL THE WAY FROM THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES.
Leo: ALL RIGHT, HI CHRIS.
Chris: HI LEO.
Leo: WELCOME TO "THE LAB WITH LEO". WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU TODAY? [Pop captions up]
Chris: WELL I'M HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH BLUE SCREENS OF DEATH.
Leo: OH BOY.
Chris: AND SLOW BOOT UPS AND ALL KINDS OF WEIRD PROBLEMS AND I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH THE REGISTRY.
Leo: OKAY.
Chris: NOW I KNOW MICROSOFT USED TO HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED REGCLEAN.
Leo: RIGHT, WHICH THEY TOOK OFF THE SITE BECAUSE IT CAUSED SO MANY CRASHES. [Pop captions down]
Chris: OKAY WELL I DIDN'T HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE. I, I QUITE LIKED IT. I THINK --
Leo: OH WELL THERE ARE CHOICES NOW STILL FROM THIRD PARTIES. [Pop captions up]
Leo: BEFORE I, I TALK ABOUT REGISTRY CLEANERS I JUST WANT TO WE WERE SEEING A GREAT PICTURE OF YOU. IS THAT A WEATHER BALLOON YOU'RE PUTTING UP THERE?
Chris: YES IT IS, AH --
Leo: DO YOU WORK FOR THE WEATHER SERVICE UP IN INUVIK OR?
Chris: AH I DO THAT SORT OF PART TIME AND WE LAUNCH ABOUT 4:15 IN THE MORNING.
Leo: WOW.
Chris: AND 4:15 AT IN THE AFTERNOON.
Leo: VERY COOL.
Chris: AND IT'S YEAH ITS KIND OF NEAT. IT'S AND THAT COULD BE TAKEN 4:15 IN THE MORNING EVEN THOUGH IT'S BRIGHT SUN.
Leo: WOW.
Chris: CAUSE WE HAVE 24-HOUR SUN UP HERE.
Leo: IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A LONG DAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER. [Pop captions down]
Chris: IT IS.
Leo: YEAH.
Chris: THE, THE SUN SETS ABOUT HALF PAST AUGUST. [Leo laughing]
Leo: I HAVE A FEELING THAT'S AN INUVIT JOKE.
Chris: EXACTLY.
Leo: WHAT, WHAT PARALLEL ARE YOU AT, WHAT IS THE LATITUDE?
Chris: AH 68 --
Leo: WOW.
Chris: 33 I THINK.
Leo: WOW. A COUPLE OF SUMMERS AGO I WAS IN ST. PETERSBURG WHICH IS AT 60 AND WE HAD A WHITE NIGHT. BUT WHAT IT, BUT THE SUN DID GO DOWN. IT JUST DIPPED BELOW THE HORIZON.
Chris: RIGHT.
Leo: IT STAYS UP ALL NIGHT LONG FOR YOU?
Chris: YEAH.
Leo: WOW.
Chris: YEAH WE HAVE 60 DAYS WHERE WE DON'T GET A SUNSET.
Leo: UNBELIEVABLE. WELL AT LEAST YOU'RE HAPPY. IT'S THE WINTER WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE BIT DARK RIGHT? THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
Chris: WELL YEAH WE HAVE 30 DAYS WHERE IT'S, WHERE WE DON'T SEE THE SUN. WE DON'T SEE THE WHOLE DISK OF THE SUN.
Leo: THAT WOULD BE HARD FOR ME TO GET USED TO I THINK.
Chris: AH YEAH IT DOES TAKE SOME GETTING USED TO.
Leo: YEAH, YEAH.
Chris: IN THE SUMMER WE HAVE ALUMINUM FOIL ON OUR WINDOWS.
Leo: RIGHT CAUSE THERE'S, CAUSE YOU CAN'T SLEEP, BRIGHT.
Chris: AH NO ACTUALLY. IT'S THE UFOS WE'RE TRYING TO ESCAPE. [Leo laughing]
Leo: LET ME, LET ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. MY PROBLEM WITH REGISTRY CLEANERS IS OFTEN THEY'RE TOO AGRESSIVE THEY ACTUALLY CAN HARM YOU. BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THERE CAN BE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN ON YOUR SYSTEM THAT CAN BE CAUSED BY BAD REGISTRY ENTRIES OR PROGRAMS STARTING UP THAT ARE NO LONGER THERE AND SO FORTH. SO HERE'S WHAT I'M GONNA SAY. I'M GONNA REFER YOU TO WINDOWSSECRETS.COM. THAT'S WHERE FRED LANGA'S NEWSLETTER THE LANGA LIST IS. AND HE TALKS ABOUT REGISTRY CLEANERS. NOW HE AND I DIFFER A LITTLE BIT. HE'S A FAN OF THEM. I'M NOT A BIG FAN. IN MY OPINION THEY CAUSE MORE HARM THAN THEY DO BUT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND BESIDES YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF FREE TIME.
Chris: SURE.
Leo: SO HE, HE RECOMMENDS A COUPLE OF THEM. ONE IS EASYCLEANER WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY FREE AND THE OTHER IS JV 16 POWERTOOLS. NOW JV 16 POWERTOOLS IS NOT FREE BUT IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. IT'S FROM T-O-N-I IT'S, I'M SORRY, AH JV 16 IS FROM MACECRAFT.COM AND THEN THE EASYCLEANER'S FROM TONIARTS. T-O-N-I-ARTS BUT I WOULD SAY GET THE JV 16 YOU CAN TRY IT FOR 30 DAYS. IT HAS A LOT OF OTHER EXCELLENT FEATURES. IT'S NOT VERY EXPENSIVE. IT'S NOT JUST A REGISTRY CLEANER THOUGH. THERE'S A REGISTRY MANAGER, FINDER, FIND AND REPLACE, MONITOR COMPACTOR. THERE'S ALSO FILE CLEANERS LOTS OF USEFUL STUFF IN THERE. SO THIS IS IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR MONEY'S WORTH. BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY MONEY AND I THINK IT'S A SLIGHTLY BETTER REGISTRY CLEANER. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY MONEY AT ALL THE TONIARTS EASYCLEANER, BOTH OF THOSE ARE GOOD. I'LL PUT LINKS TO BOTH AND TO FRED LANGA'S EXCELLENT ARTICLE IN THE SHOWNOTES. ONE MINUTE FOR THE FREE FILE. HEY THANKS FOR THE CALL. I APPRECIATE IT CHRIS. WATCH OUT FOR THOSE BALLOONS I'LL TELL YOU. MUST DO YOU THINK YOU GET MORE ALIENS UP THERE?
Ryan Yewell: AH MORE ALIENS?
Leo: MORE, MORE UFOS?
Ryan Yewell: I DIDN'T KNOW WE GET ALIENS.
Leo: OH YEAH. YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT?
Ryan Yewell: NO.
Leo: OH YOU GOT TO READ THE NEWS. SO, SO MR. MR. RYAN YEWELL IS HERE WITH OUR FREE FILE OF THE DAY. [Pop captions up]
Ryan Yewell: OKAY.
Leo: A WINDOWS FILE EY?
Ryan Yewell: WINDOWS AND LINUX AH IF YOU'VE HEARD OF ADIUM ON THE MAC WHICH TAKES A BUNCH OF EXISTING --
Leo: LOVE ADIUM. [Pop captions down]
Ryan Yewell: WELL THIS IS BASICALLY AN INSTANT MESSAGING PROGRAM THAT TAKES A BUNCH OF INSTANT MESSAGING PROGRAMS. IT'S CALLED PIDGIN.
Leo: OH.
Ryan Yewell: AND IT BRINGS IT ALL INTO ONE PLACE AND THEN IT --
Leo: YOU MAY REMEMBER GAME.
Ryan Yewell: YES.
Leo: AOL SUED THEM.
Ryan Yewell: OH YES.
Leo: SAID YOU CAN'T USE AIM.
Ryan Yewell: EXACTLY.
Leo: SO THEY RENAMED THEMSELVES THE PIDGIN.
Ryan Yewell: SO, SO BASICALLY YOU CAN JUST ADD STUFF IN HERE.
Leo: ITS, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE VERY GOOD THE NEW PIDGIN. DO YOU LIKE IT? [Pop captions up]
Ryan Yewell: YEAH I'M, I'M HAVING A LOT OF FUN WITH THIS. SO YOU'VE GOT, SO YOU'VE GOT --
Leo: ALL THE DIFFERENT PROTOCOLS.
Ryan Yewell: SO WE'VE GOT --
Leo: LOOK AT THOSE.
Ryan Yewell: WE'VE GOT GADU- GADU, WE'VE GOT GOOGLE CAULK, WE'VE GOT GOOGLE TALK, WE'VE GOT SURPLUS -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: ICQ.
Ryan Yewell: ICQ.
Leo: MSN MESSENGER.
Ryan Yewell: MSN.
Leo: YAHOO THEY'RE ALL THERE.
Ryan Yewell: THEY'RE ALL THERE. SO UM IT'S CALLED PIDGIN. [Pop captions down]
Ryan Yewell: IT'S FOR WINDOWS AND LINUX.
Leo: AND ITS --
Ryan Yewell: IT'S A YEWELL'S JEWELS.
Leo: IT'S FREE.
Ryan Yewell: IT'S ABSOLUTELY FREE. THEY'RE ALL FREE.
Leo: ALL FREE. [Pop captions up]
Ryan Yewell: IF THEY'RE NOT --
Leo: IF IT'S A JEWEL IT'S FREE.
Ryan Yewell: IF THEY'RE NOT FREE I'M NOT DOING MY JOB, YOU KNOW RIGHT.
Leo: RYAN YEWELL YEWELL'S JEWELS THEY'RE ONLINE AT -- [Blank for boards]
Leo: AND WE'RE BACK WITH MORE OF YOUR CALLS IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. [Pop captions up]
Leo: DON'T YOU GO ANYWHERE. MEANWHILE A CHANCE TO TAKE OUR QUICK QUIZ QUESTION OF THE DAY BEFORE WE BREAK. LOOK AT, LOOK AT THIS. TEST YOUR TECH KNOWLEDGE HERE. MAYBE YOU CAN DO THIS TOO RYAN WHAT UNLESS YOU WROTE IT. DID YOU WRITE THIS ONE?
Ryan Yewell: NO I DIDN'T WRITE THIS. [Blank for boards]
Leo: WAS IT -- [Blank for boards]
Ryan Yewell: AH.
Leo: D GOOD QUESTION, GOOD ANSWER. WRONG ANSWER BUT GOOD ANSWER. WE'LL BE BACK WITH THE RIGHT ANSWER WHEN "THE LAB" CONTINUES. [MUSIC] [Pop captions down] [MUSIC] [Pop captions up]
Leo: WELCOME BACK TO "THE LAB". BEFORE THE BREAK WE ASKED WHAT DO THEY CALL THAT NEW USER INTERFACE IN THE WINDOWS VISTA? IT'S AERO A-E-R-O. IT'S THAT YOU KNOW KIND OF TRANSPARENT WINDOWS AND ALL. [Pop captions down]
Leo: YOU KNEW THAT SOMETIMES IT'S AERO GLASS. BUT I THINK AERO IS THE OFFICIAL, THE OFFICIAL NAME. JIM RUTHERFORD IS HERE. HE'S FROM DIGITALMEDIAMINUTE.COM. HELLO JIM.
Jim Rutherford: HELLO LEO. HOW ARE YOU?
Leo: MINUS OWEN TODAY?
Jim Rutherford: YES OWEN STAYED AT HOME. [Pop captions up]
Leo: FOUR-YEAR OLD BUT WE ARE STILL GONNA HAVE SOME FUN TALKING ABOUT WEB DESIGN.
Jim Rutherford: ABSOLUTELY.
Leo: AND PARTICULARLY CSS.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH. [Pop captions down]
Jim Rutherford: ONE OF THE BIGGER CHALLENGES THAT WEB DEVELOPERS, WEB DESIGNERS AND DEVELOPERS HAVE NOWADAYS IS, IS WORKING WITH CSS AND --
Leo: IT'S KIND OF THE STANDARD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO.
Jim Rutherford: IT REALLY IS THE STANDARD AND MOST WEB DESIGNERS SHOULD BE USING IT.
Leo: RIGHT.
Jim Rutherford: THE CHALLENGE IS THAT CODING YOUR, YOUR, YOUR WEBPAGES BY HAND. [Pop captions up]
Jim Rutherford: SO WHEN YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT USING A GRAPHICAL TOOL LIKE DREAMWEAVER --
Leo: RIGHT.
Jim Rutherford: OR, OR MANY OF THE OTHER PRODUCTS DEBUGGING YOUR CSS CAN BE, CAN BE QUITE CHALLENGING.
Leo: CSS IS ESSENTIALLY STYLE SHEETS, DESCRIPTIONS OF HOW SOMETHING SHOULD LOOK OR BE DISPLAYED. [Pop captions down]
Jim Rutherford: EXACTLY YEAH, YEAH. CASCADING STYLESHEETS ALLOW YOU TO UM TO APPLY, APPLY STYLE ATTRIBUTES TO YOUR, TO YOUR HTML ELEMENTS TOO.
Leo: RIGHT, RIGHT. SO IF SOMEBODY JUST BOLD NOW IT CAN SAY 15 POINT.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
Leo: AND EXTRA HEAVY, GREEN WITH A DOTTED UNDERLINE.
Jim Rutherford: THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.
Leo: AND THAT'S OUR NEW BOLD.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
Jim Rutherford: SO THERE'S A TOOL FOR FIREFOX. IT'S A, IT'S A FREE EXTENSION CALLED FIREBUG AND IT'S AVAILABLE AT GETFIREBUG.COM AND IT'S VERY EASY TO INSTALL. AND ONCE IT'S INSTALLED UM YOU'LL NOTICE THAT YOU'LL HAVE A LITTLE, A LITTLE GREEN CHECKMARK USUALLY IN THE BOTTOM CORNER OF YOUR SCREEN.
Leo: OKAY.
Jim Rutherford: THAT TELLS YOU THAT FIREBUG, FIREBUG IS READY. SO I'M GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH JUST A FEW STEPS ON JUST SOME NICE SIMPLE LITTLE TECHNIQUES THAT YOU CAN USE TO UM TO, TO, TO DEBUG YOUR CSS. SO HERE'S, HERE'S A PAGE ON MY SITE AND WE'RE GONNA GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT SOME CSS ON IT. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE FIREBUG UP ON HERE IS DISABLED RIGHT NOW. [Pop captions up]
Jim Rutherford: SO THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO DO IS ENABLE THE SITE FOR FIREBUG. [Gadget ringing]
Jim Rutherford: AND WHEN WE CLICK ON THE, THE ICON WHERE IT SAYS --
Leo: IT SAYS DISABLED RIGHT.
Jim Rutherford: IT SAYS DISABLED. SO WANT TO ENABLE FIREBUG FOR LOCAL FILES. [Pop captions down]
Jim Rutherford: UM AND THEN WE GET TO THIS THE FIREBUG LINGO.
Leo: I THINK SEAN HAS A GADGET THAT'S GOING OFF. ALL RIGHT WE GOT RID OF IT. ALL RIGHT.
Jim Rutherford: ALL RIGHT IT'S DONE.
Leo: SO LOOK AT THAT.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH.
Leo: THIS IS ALMOST LIKE A WEB EDITOR.
Jim Rutherford: IT IS VERY MUCH LIKE A WEB EDITOR. UM AND WE CAN GO AND INSPECT ANY PARTICULAR PART OF THIS PAGE THAT WE WANT BY CLICKING ON THE INSPECT BUTTON AND THEN AS WE MOVE OUR MOUSE ON THE PAGE --
Leo: OH LOOK.
Jim Rutherford: YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE HTML REPRESENTATION SHOWS US EXACTLY WHAT ELEMENT THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE HOVERING OVER. SO RIGHT NOW YOU SEE WE'RE ON, WE'RE ON H1 AND DOWN HERE WE'RE, WE'RE AT -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: BUT BECAUSE H1 CAN BE A CSS COMMAND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT H1 MEANS WHEN YOU JUST LOOK AT THE SOURCE CODE. SO THIS SHOWS YOU REFERS YOU BACK TO THE CSS CODE.
Jim Rutherford: AND TELLS YOU HOW TO STOP IT OR APPLY TO IT.
Leo: HERE'S WHAT H1 IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH THAT'S RIGHT.
Leo: WHAT'S ITS STYLE.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH SO IF WE UM, IF WE CLICK ON THIS ELEMENT WE'LL SEE THAT STYLES OVER ON, ON, ON THIS, ON THE RIGHT HAND --
Leo: AND THERE'S YOUR H1.
Jim Rutherford: AND THEY SHOW US YEAH AND IT SHOWS US ALL THE STYLES THAT ARE APPLIED TO IT. NOW WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IT ACTUALLY SHOWS HOW THE STYLES ARE BEING CASCADED. SO WE HAVE FONT SIZE OF 16 BEING APPLIED TO H1 AND THERE'S ALSO SOME STYLE BEING INHERITED FROM THE BODY ELEMENT. SO A CASCADING STYLESHEET IS WHEN WE, WHEN WE APPLY A STYLE TO AN ELEMENT IT CASCADES DOWN TO EVERY ELEMENT THAT'S CONTAINED WITHIN.
Leo: RIGHT. SO THE BODY APPLIES TO EVERYTHING BELOW IT.
Jim Rutherford: THAT'S RIGHT.
Leo: YEAH.
Jim Rutherford: SO NOW WE CAN SEE RIGHT HERE THAT OUR FONT, OUR FONT DOWN IS BEING APPLIED TO THE BODY --
Leo: AS WELL AS THE SIZE.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH EXACTLY.
Leo: SO ITS 16 POINT ARIAL BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO COMMANDS.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH, YEAH.
Leo: WOW INTERESTING.
Jim Rutherford: AND WE CAN DO SOME NEAT THINGS IN HERE LIKE UM YOU KNOW IF WE HOVER OVER FONT SIZE YOU SEE THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE SORT OF STOP ICON NEXT TO IT.
Leo: YEAH WHAT'S THAT MEAN?
Jim Rutherford: IF WE CLICK ON IT, IT CANCELS THAT STYLE.
Leo: OH SO WE SEE HOW IT CHANGES WHAT IT THE PAGE DOES.
Jim Rutherford: SO WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE, YEAH SO, SO THIS WOULD BE THE, THE DEFAULT WAY THAT --
Leo: THIS IS GREAT.
Jim Rutherford: THAT, THAT A STYLE THAT STYLE APPLIES.
Leo: I NEED THIS.
Jim Rutherford: AND --
Leo: I MEAN THIS IS FANTASTIC.
Jim Rutherford: AND THIS TOGGLES, TOGGLES, TOGGLES BACK AND FORTH.
Leo: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
Jim Rutherford: WE CAN ALSO DO SOME REALLY NEAT THINGS WHICH IS, WHICH IS --
Leo: CAN YOU JUST EDIT IT?
Jim Rutherford: WE CAN EDIT IT IF WE CLICK ON IT AND I JUST USE MY ARROW KEYS TO INCREASE THE SIZE.
Leo: OH THAT'S NEAT.
Jim Rutherford: SO WE CAN SORT OF GET THIS EXACTLY AS WE WANT IT TO LOOK. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND MODIFY OUR, OUR CASCADING STYLESHEET.
Leo: THIS IS A GREAT EXTENSION FOR WEB DESIGNERS.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH IT'S A, IT'S A FANTASTIC EXTENSION.
Leo: YOU, YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT THAT UNLESS YOU BUY A VERY EXPENSIVE PROGRAM LIKE DREAMWEAVER THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO VERY EASILY.
Jim Rutherford: EXACTLY, EXACTLY.
Leo: THIS IS GREAT.
Jim Rutherford: UM --
Leo: IN FACT I'D PREFER THIS OVER DREAMWEAVER'S IMPLEMENTS I THINK.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH UM YEAH MOST OF THE PROFESSIONAL WEB DESIGNERS I KNOW UM CODE BY HAND.
Leo: USE THIS.
Jim Rutherford: AND THEY WOULD USE, THEY WOULD USE TOOLS SUCH AS THIS.
Leo: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
Jim Rutherford: UM ALSO UM WHEN WE'RE LOOKING IN THE STYLES YOU CAN SEE THAT SOME STYLES RIGHT IN THE PAGE SO THIS STYLE IS BEING APPLIED UM FROM AN INDEX AT HTM.
Leo: UH-HUH.
Jim Rutherford: UM AND IF I GO BACK NOW --
Leo: SO IT'S IN THE ACTUAL PAGE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
Jim Rutherford: IT'S IN THE ACTUAL PAGE I'M LOOKING AT.
Leo: MORE COMMONLY A STYLE WILL BE IN A SEPARATE FILE WON'T IT?
Jim Rutherford: YEAH MOST COMMONLY IT'LL BE IN A SEPARATE FILE. SO HERE WE SEE UM SEE SITE CSS.
Leo: AND SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT FILES ARE BEING USED WOW.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH WHAT FILES ARE BEING USED. WE CAN ALSO SEE WHERE CERTAIN STYLES ARE BEING OVERWRITTEN AND THIS IS WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE, THE CASCADE.
Leo: OH HALLELUJAH.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH. SO HERE WE CAN SEE THAT --
Leo: CAUSE I'LL FREQUENTLY CHANGE A STYLE --
Jim Rutherford: YEAH.
Leo: AND NOTHING HAPPENS --
Jim Rutherford: YEAH.
Leo: AND I KNOW SOMETHING IS OVER RIDING IT BUT HOW DO YOU FIND THAT?
Jim Rutherford: YEAH. SO HERE'S HOW WE DO IT. WE CLICK ON THE ELEMENT AND WE SEE THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOCAL STYLE. SO WE'RE USING A STYLE ATTRIBUTE AND APPLYING SOME FONT DECORATION AND THAT'S OVER RIDING THE UM THE FONT, THE FONT SIZE THAT'S BEEN DECLARED IN INDEX AT HTM. AND IT'S ALSO OVER RIDING THE FONT FAMILY IN THE BODY, WHICH IS BEING APPLIED BY US CSS.
Leo: SO IF YOU CHANGE THAT DON'T EXPECT IT TO CHANGE IN THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT.
Jim Rutherford: EXACTLY.
Leo: AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TRACK DOWN.
Jim Rutherford: IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO TRACK DOWN. SO THIS IS REALLY NICE THAT YOU CAN AND IT PUTS A NICE STRIKE THROUGH.
Leo: I LOVE THAT.
Jim Rutherford: SO WE CAN SEE, SEE, SEE -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: FIREBUG.
Jim Rutherford: FIREBUG.
Leo: WINDOWS OR MAC ANY PLATFORM THAT CAN RUN FIREFOX.
Jim Rutherford: EXACTLY.
Leo: LINUX TOO.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH. [Pop captions up]
Leo: AND IT'S A GREAT BOY WHAT A NEAT FIREFOX EXTENSION.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH.
Leo: JIM RUTHERFORD IS AT DIGITALMEDIAMINUTE.COM. IF YOU LIKE THIS KIND OF THING --
Jim Rutherford: MMM-HMM.
Leo: YOU CAN FIND OUT A WHOLE LOT MORE. AND I JUST LOVE SOME OF THE STUFF YOU'VE BROUGHT TO US AND, AND YOU'LL FIND A LOT MORE ON THE WEBSITE.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH THANK YOU.
Leo: THANK YOU JIM. BRING OWEN NEXT TIME OKAY?
Jim Rutherford: OKAY.
Leo: WE AT LEAST HAVE A PICTURE OF OWEN ANYWAY.
Jim Rutherford: YEAH.
Leo: SO WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE IN JUST A BIT. [Pop captions down]
Leo: YOU STAY RIGHT HERE. THAT'S GREAT. OH MAN I WANT TO GET THAT. [MUSIC] [Commercial break] [MUSIC] [Pop captions up]
Leo: OH I CAN'T WAIT TO GO HOME, RUN HOME, SOMETIMES YOU KNOW I'M DOING THIS SHOW AND I'M SURE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS SHOW HAVE THE SAME REACTION. I CAN'T WAIT TO RUN HOME AND TRY THAT FIREBUG OR I CAN'T WAIT TO RUN HOME AND TRY THE FACEBOOK APPLICATION.
Kate: YEAH.
Leo: THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR AND IF YOU'VE GOT SUGGESTIONS, TIPS, SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ON THE SHOW SOMETHING YOU FOUND THAT YOU KNOW EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SEE EMAIL KATE.
Kate: YEAH INFO AT LABWITHLEO.COM.
Leo: THAT'S THE ONE.
Kate: THAT'S THE ONE.
Leo: INFO AT LABWITHLEO.COM. IF YOU WANT TO BE ON THE SHOW THOUGH JUST GO TO THE WEBSITE. THERE'S A FORM THERE YOU CAN FILL OUT.
Kate: MMM-HMM.
Leo: WE'LL GET KATE ON THE, ON THE CASE. [Pop captions down]
Leo: SHE'LL TRACK YOU DOWN WHEREVER YOU MIGHT BE.
Kate: I WILL HUNT YOU.
Leo: TO GET YOU ON THIS SHOW. THANK YOU KATE.
Kate: THANK YOU.
Leo: THANKS TO ALL OUR GUESTS BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY THANKS TO YOU FOR WATCHING. TELL YOUR FRIENDS. WE'RE HERE EVERY NIGHT. I'M LEO LAPORTE. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME ON "THE LAB". [MUSIC] [Coins bouncing] [MUSIC] [Pop captions up quickly] CLOSED CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY: BROADCAST CAPTIONING & CONSULTING SERVICES INC. WWW.CLOSEDCAPTIONING.COM [Pop captions down]