[MUSIC] [Pop captions up]
Megan Cole: HI I'M MEGAN COLE AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU HOW NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS INCREASE THEIR WEB PRESENCE USING SOCIAL MEDIA FOR FREE TODAY ON "THE LAB". [Pop captions down] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [Beeping] [MUSIC]
Leo: WELL HELLO. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD TO SEE YOU. [Pop captions up]
Leo: AND WELCOME TO "THE LAB". I'M LEO LAPORTE. THIS IS THE SHOW WHERE WE HELP YOU UNDERSTAND HOW TECHNOLOGY WORKS. AND I DO IT WITH THE HELP OF MY GOOD FRIEND KATE ABRAHAM. HELLO KATE.
Kate: HEY.
Leo: HOW ARE YOU?
Kate: I'M VERY WELL THANK YOU.
Leo: AND OF COURSE THE RED CLIPBOARD WITHOUT WHICH THERE WOULD BE NO SHOW.
Kate: YES.
Leo: THIS IS EPISODE 47. [Pop captions down]
Leo: AND WE HAVE A GREAT SHOW. OH, OH, OH MY GOODNESS THIS IS GONNA BE FUN.
Kate: BUSY SHOW EY?
Leo: YEAH IT'S GONNA BE FUN. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CALLERS. MEGAN COLE AS YOU SAW IS HERE. SHE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT PROMOTING ABOUT YOUR CHARITABLE BUSINESS OR ANY KIND OF BUSINESS. RAJ BRAR OUR WEB DESIGNER AND TAVIS DUNN OUR GRAPHICS ARTIST IS GONNA BE HERE TALKING ABOUT OUR NEW WEBSITE.
Kate: YES.
Leo: AND WHAT IT INVOLVES TO RESKIN A WEBSITE. AND PAUL AND DEREK ARE HERE. DEREK IS A GREAT MUSICIAN. IN FACT HE DID THE THEME FROM ONE OF MY PODCASTS THE "WINDOWS WEEKLY" PODCAST AND HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT THEY DO, THEY DO ALSO A HOME RECORDING PODCAST.
Kate: MMM-HMM.
Leo: THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT CHOOSING THE BEST MICROPHONE FOR YOUR COMPUTER RECORDING. SO GOOD SHOW.
Kate: YES, BUSY, BUSY.
Leo: BUT IT'S YOU THAT MAKES THIS SHOW HAPPEN WITH ALL THOSE GREAT CALLS AND YOU'VE GOT A GREAT CALL FOR US TO START OFF WITH.
Kate: I HAVE A FANTASTIC CALL TO START WITH.
Leo: YOU KNOW THE WHOLE SHOW RISES OF FALLS, I DON'T WANT TO PUT PRESSURE ON YOU.
Kate: I KNOW THAT. [Laughs]
Leo: IF IT'S A GOOD CALL THE SHOW GOES GREAT. IF IT'S A BAD CALL THE WHOLE THING RIGHT DOWN THE TUBES.
Kate: WHAT ABOUT IF I OFFERED YOU MUSIC WITH THIS CALL?
Leo: THAT'S A GOOD START.
Kate: OKAY SO IF I OFFERED YOU JOHN FROM TORONTO --
Leo: YEAH.
Kate: WITH MUSIC FROM JOHN.
Leo: REALLY?
Kate: WOULD THAT BE OKAY?
Leo: OH I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD START.
Kate: OH GOOD.
Leo: OKAY. HELLO JOHN. HOW ARE YOU?
John: GOOD LEO. HOW ARE YOU DOING?
Leo: WHAT'S THIS ABOUT MUSIC?
John: OH WELL I JUST PICKED UP A MAC IN EARLY JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
Leo: YEAH. [Pop captions up]
John: MAINLY FOR WELL MY WIFE WANTED IT FOR OTHER THINGS. BUT I WANTED IT FOR GARAGE BAND.
Leo: YOUR WIFE WANTED IT BUT YOU GOT IT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? [Laughs]
John: EXACTLY.
Leo: OKAY.
John: JUST ONE OF THE FIRST SONGS I DID ON BIT AND IT JUST ONE ACOUSTIC GUITAR AND ALL INTERNAL MICROPHONE. [Pop captions down]
Leo: OH NEAT.
John: SO EVEN THE BULK OF EVERYTHING WAS DONE WITH THE INTERNAL MIC. SO I THOUGHT I'D SEND THAT ALONG. BUT MY REAL QUESTION IS ABOUT 20, 25 YEARS I HAD A BAND AND OF COURSE WE DID A LOT OF FOUR- TRACK RECORDING.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
John: AND SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TAPES. NOW I DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL FOUR-TRACK TAPES BUT I'VE GOT THE, THE MIXDOWNS.
Leo: OKAY.
John: AND I'D LOVE TO PUT THEM ON THE MAC ON A EITHER YOU KNOW ON A CDROM SO I COULD SEND THEM OUT TO THE OLD BAND MEMBERS.
Leo: RIGHT.
John: AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
Leo: OH THAT WOULD BE FUN WOULDN'T IT? YEAH.
John: AND BUT I LOOKED ON IT, I LOOKED AT MY TAPEDECK AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT --
Leo: IT, IT, IT SHOULD BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. UM IT DEPENDS ON HOW GOOD A QUALITY RECORDING YOU WANT TO MAKE OF THIS. [Pop captions up]
Leo: I MEAN THE SIMPLEST WAY TO DO IT IS TO TAKE THE OUTPUT OF THE CASSETTE DECK PROBABLY IF IT'S A YOU KNOW A STEREO CASSETTE DECK. IT HAS RCA JACKS OUT.
John: RIGHT. [Pop captions down]
Leo: IF IT'S A YOU KNOW A WALKMAN OR A BOOMBOX IT MIGHT JUST HAVE A HEADPHONE JACK OUT. AND TAKE THAT AND CONNECT IT UP TO THE INPUT ON YOUR MAC. AND, AND WITH THAT'S A MINIJACK ON THAT, A MINI PHONEJACK ON THAT SIDE AND WHATEVER'S ON THE OTHER SIDE ON THE CASSETTE. AND AT THAT POINT ANY RECORDING SOFTWARE EVEN GARAGE BAND WILL WORK TO RECORD THE AUDIO AND THEN YOU CAN BURN IT OUT TO A CD. YOU COULD USE ITUNES, YOU KNOW YOU COULD A GARAGE BAND OR MAYBE BETTER A, A, AN EDITING PROGRAM LIKE AUDACITY, WHICH IS FREE TO CHOP IT UP. CLEAN IT UP, YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE OUT ANY HISS.
John: RIGHT.
Leo: IF IT WAS RECORDED WITH DOLBY YOU'LL, YOU'LL DEFINITELY WANT TO TAKE OUT SOME HISS AND CHANGE THE EQUALIZATION AND THAT KIND OF THING.
John: YEAH I FIGURE I'D NEED TO DO THAT.
Leo: YEAH.
John: IT'S JUST YOU THINK THE TAPEDECK THAT I HAVE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WORK?
Leo: WELL IT SHOULD. NOW UM BY THE WAY AUDACTIY.SOURCEFORGE.NET IS A GREAT SINCE YOU KNOW WHAT? SINCE YOU'RE DOING MORE, SINCE YOU'RE DOING MUSIC RECORDING AND STUFF I'M GONNA RECOMMEND A $30 PROGRAM THAT'S BETTER.
John: OKAY.
Leo: AUDACITY'S FREE, AUDACITY AT SOURCEFORGE.NET. BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I USE. ITS CALLED AMADEUS, AMADEUSPRO. AND I GOT TO TELL YOU IT'S A MULTITRACK RECORDER. A MULTITRACK EDITOR. IT'S GOT YOU KNOW A LOT OF FEATURES THAT YOU WANT. IT'S $25 TO UPGRADE IT IF YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL ONE AND I THINK ITS, ITS LIKE 30 OR $40 TO BUY. IT, IT BUT YOU CAN TRY IT BEFORE YOU BUY IT. I USE THIS YOU KNOW INSTEAD OF 4 OR $500 PROGRAMS, LET ME JUST CHECK WHAT THE, THE PRICE IS ON THIS. UM 40 BUCKS. I MEAN YOU KNOW THAT'S AN AMAZING DEAL. THIS IS A REALLY GREAT PROGRAM. SO WHAT YOU'LL DO IS YOU'LL USE AMADEUSPRO TO RECORD THE AUDIO AND THEN YOU CAN DIVIDE INTO, INTO INDIVIDUAL TRACKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THAT YOU HAVE YOU KNOW EACH SONG HAS ITS OWN TRACK. YOU CAN ALSO USE THIS TO DO THE EQUALIZATION AND CUT OUT ANY HISS AND SO FORTH.
John: OH EXCELLENT.
Leo: YEAH. NOW IF YOU WANT A LITTLE BIT BETTER RECORDING WELL IN MY OPINION A LOT OF TIMES USING THE ANALOG PLUG ON THE MAC ALLOWS NOISE TO GET IN. AND IT'S MAYBE NOT, YOU KNOW THE LEVELS MIGHT NOT BE ADJUSTED. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF UM INEXPENSIVE USB HOOKUPS LIKE THE GRIFFIN IMIC, WHICH IS A VERY GOOD ONE. ALSO VERY CHEAP. I THINK IT'S LIKE 30 OR 40 BUCKS. IT'S A USB AUDIO INTERFACE. SO THE IMIC HAS LINE AND MIC INS ON IT. YOU'D PROBABLY WANT TO USE THIS. YOU SAID YOU RECORDED YOUR, YOUR GUITAR RIGHT INTO THE COMPUTER. THIS MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY TO GO.
John: WELL THAT'S FOR THE NEWER STUFF. BUT FOR THE OLDER 20 YEAR OLD TAPES IS WHAT I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR.
Leo: RIGHT. THIS HAS LINE OR MIC IN. IT TURNS IT INTO USB AUDIO, WHICH YOU THEN PLUG INTO YOUR MAC. AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER SOUND QUALITY RECORDING. AND IT'S ONLY 39 BUCKS, 40 BUCKS. [Pop captions up]
John: OKAY.
Leo: SO I WOULD TRY, YOU KNOW TRY IT BY PLUGGING DIRECTLY INTO YOUR MAC. BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GET A USB INTERFACE. THIS IS THE CHEAP ONE. IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT TO START GETTING REALLY FANCY YOU'RE GONNA GO TO M-AUDIO AND GET SOMETHING YOU KNOW LIKE A FAST TRACK THAT'S 150 BUCKS. [Pop captions down]
Leo: UM, THE, THE IDEA OF THESE IS INSTEAD OF HAVING THE MAC CONVERT FROM, CONVERT THE SOUND FROM ANALOG TO DIGITAL YOU HAVE AN EXTERNAL DEVICE DO IT. AND IT GETS THE NOISE OUTSIDE OF THE MAC. A LOT OF TIMES PLUGGING DIRECTLY INTO A COMPUTER YOU GET SOME RADIO FREQUENCY NOISE COMING IN TOO.
John: AND THERE'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE HISS ON THESE OLD ONES FOR SURE.
Leo: THE HISS YEAH THAT ONE, YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE IF IT WAS RECORDED WITH DOLBY, YOU KNOW THE WAY DOLBY WORKS ROUGHLY IS THEY, THEY BOOST UP THE HIGH END WHEN THEY RECORD IT AND THEN THEY EQUALIZE IT BACK DOWN WHEN THEY PLAY IT BACK AND BY DOING SO THEY BRING DOWN THE HISS. BUT IF YOU PLAY IT BACK WITHOUT DOLBY TURNED ON IN THE PLAYBACK IF IT WAS RECORDED WITH DOLBY YOU'LL THEN HAVE MORE HISS IN THE SOUND AND THE HIGH END WILL BE BOOSTED. SO RE-EQUALIZING AND MAYBE USING A HIGH, A HIGH PASS FILTER WILL HELP GET RID OF THAT EXCESS HISS. AND OF COURSE ALL TAPE HAS HISS.
John: RIGHT.
Leo: I MEAN THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID AWAY WITH WHEN WE WENT TO DIGITAL. THAT'S WHERE SOMETHING LIKE AMADEUS PRO IS JUST GONNA BE A GREAT SOLUTION FOR YOU. IT HAS A LOT OF PLUGINS THAT CAN BE USED TO FIX UP THE SOUND AND IT WILL THE STANDARD PLUGINS THAT MANY OTHER PROGRAMS OFFER. THE VST STYLE PLUGINS THAT OTHER PROGRAMS OFFER. AH YOU KNOW IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SPEND MONEY APPLE'S SOUNDTRACK PRO 2 IS VERY, VERY GOOD. BUT YOU HAVE TO BUY THE WHOLE FINALCUT STUDIO AND THAT'S GONNA COST YOU A PRETTY PENNY, SO.
John: NO.
Leo: I'M NOT GONNA RECOMMEND THAT. I THINK AMADEUSPRO IS ALL YOU REALLY NEED. [Pop captions up]
John: IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PLAN.
Leo: OKAY?
John: AND I WANT TO JUST TELL YOU WE WERE BIG FANS OF YOU WAY BACK I THINK IT WAS SAN FRANCISCO WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED OUT.
Leo: AH WE STARTED "TECH TV" IN SAN FRANCISCO IN 1998. WE DID IT FOR SIX YEARS. [Pop captions down]
John: YEAH WE WATCHED YOU ON THE OLD "TECH TV".
Leo: AND I WANT TO HEAR THE SONG YOU RECORDED. DO WE HAVE THAT SONG? DID YOU SEND IT TO US JOHN?
John: OH YES. [MUSIC]
Leo: WELL LET'S HEAR IT. THIS IS, THIS IS YOU ON GUITAR?
John: IT'S ME ON ALL OF THIS. [Pop captions up]
John: BUT IT'S ALL JUST DONE WITH ONE ACOUSTIC GUITAR. [Singing background]
Leo: AN ACOUSTIC GUITAR AND THEN YOU USED GARAGE BAND FOR LIKE THE RHYTHM TRACK AND STUFF OR?
John: EVERYTHING FOR THE VOCALS THAT GO WITH THEM. BUT EVERYTHING'S DONE WITH GYPSY INTERNAL MIC. I HAD NO MICROPHONE HOOKED UP TO IT. [MUSIC] [Pop captions down]
John: LISTEN TO YOUR ADVICE HOW SOME MARK HE GETS CLEAR AFTER DAY
Leo: I THINK YOU NEED TO GET SOME GOOD STUFF, CAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GOOD. I'D, I'D SPEND SOME MONEY ON SOME GOOD INTERFACES AND A MIXER MAYBE AND THAT'S GREAT. ALL RIGHT WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT SONG, CAN WE PUT THAT SONG ON OUR SITE?
John: ABSOLUTELY.
Leo: ALL RIGHT SO IF YOU WANT TO HEAR THIS WHOLE SONG --
John: CRY AND WAIT
Leo: I LOVE IT. WE'LL PUT IT ON OUR SITE AND YOU CAN DOWNLOAD IT. AND JOHN I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE, FOR THE SONG AND JOINING US ON THE SHOW.
John: THANK YOU. KEEP IT UP AND I'LL KEEP WATCHING.
Leo: THANKS JOHN. TAKE CARE AND KATE A-PLUS. IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD SHOW. [Laughs]
Leo: A GREAT CALL. THAT'S WONDERFUL. [Pop captions up]
Leo: ALL RIGHT COMING UP IN JUST A LITTLE BIT WE'RE GONNA TALK TO MEGAN COLE ABOUT USING WEB 2.0 AND SOCIAL MEDIA TOOLS TO PROMOTE YOUR BUSINESS AND RAJ AND TAVIS WILL TALK ABOUT OUR NEW WEBSITE. PLUS ALL A LOT MORE OF YOUR CALLS TOO. IT'S ALL COMING UP AS "THE LAB" CONTINUES. YOU STAY RIGHT HERE NOW. [Pop captions down] [MUSIC] [Commercial break] [MUSIC]
Leo: WELCOME BACK TO "THE LAB WITH LEO". WE'RE HERE TO, HI YOU SNUCK UP ON ME. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT PROMOTING YOUR BUSINESS. AH MEGAN DOES HER OWN LITTLE BUSINESS HERE CALLED THISCITYROCKS.COM.
Megan Cole: RIGHT.
Leo: WHICH IS A, A, A --
Megan Cole: VIDEO PODCAST.
Leo: VIDEO POD THANK YOU VERY MUCH. A VIDEO PODCAST ABOUT INDEPENDENT BANDS.
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: BUT YOU ARE USING THIS IS ACTUALLY INTERESTING YOU'RE GONNA USE AND YOU HAVE USED WEB 2.0 ON THE INTERNET TO PROMOTE YOUR BUSINESS AND YOU WANT TO SHOW OTHER PEOPLE HOW TO DO THE SAME.
Megan Cole: SURE TO PROMOTE MY PERSONAL PROFILE --
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: AND THE BUSINESSES I WORK WITH.
Leo: YEAH. [Pop captions up]
Megan Cole: AND I RIGHT NOW WORK A COMPANY ON THE EAST COAST IN HALIFAX IN CANADA CALLED CATAPULT MEDIA AND UM WHAT WE DO IS WE DEVELOP ONLINE STRATEGIES TO FOR NON-PROFIT AND CIVIL SOCIETIES. [Pop captions down]
Leo: OH THAT'S NEAT.
Megan Cole: AND USE THESE FREE TOOLS TO INCREASE THEIR CAUSE, THE AWARENESS, GROW THE COMMUNITY WHICH IS WHAT THE INTERNET IS FOR.
Leo: IT'S REALLY CHANGED.
Megan Cole: SO --
Leo: YOU KNOW WE'RE SEEING THIS IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. ALREADY EACH CANDIDATE --
Megan Cole: SURE.
Leo: IS POSITIONED ONLINE AND THEY LOOKED AT WHAT HOWARD DEAN DID FOUR YEARS AGO AND THEY SAID WOW IF YOU DON'T USE THE INTERNET --
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON A HUGE POTENTIAL, POTENTIAL.
Megan Cole: YEAH AND HILLARY CLINTON, CLINTON THREW IT TO THE AUDIENCE SAYING YOU PICK A SONG FOR MY PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AND YOU KNOW THEY ALL HAVE PODCASTS. THEY ALL HAVE BLOGS SO.
Leo: ISN'T THAT SMART?
Megan Cole: VERY SMART.
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: IF THEY'RE NOT DOING IT AH THEY'RE NOT GONNA WIN.
Leo: NO YOU'RE RIGHT. [Both talking at once]
Leo: I THINK THERE'S A WHOLE GENERATION OF PEOPLE WHO WILL WRITE THEM OFF SAYING WELL THEY'RE NOT SAVVY ENOUGH.
Megan Cole: TOTALLY.
Leo: SO THINGS HAVE REALLY CHANGED.
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: AND IT'S GOOD FOR YOUR BUSINESS TOO ESPECIALLY FOR NON-PROFITS.
Megan Cole: WELL THE SOCIAL, THE SOCIAL MANDATE AND AGENDA FOR NON-PROFITS IS PRETTY HUGE.
Leo: YEAH. [Pop captions up]
Megan Cole: AND THEY DON'T REALLY FOR THE MOST PART --
Leo: THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY EITHER.
Megan Cole: THEY DON'T, WELL VERY LITTLE.
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: AND IT'S A LOT OF GOVERNMENT SPONSORSHIPS.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: AND FUNDING. SO UM IN ORDER TO UTILIZE THE INTERNET THE POWER OF IT YOU CAN USE AND WORK I HELP STRATEGIZE WITH THEM AND TO COACH THEM THROUGH HOW TO SETUP JUST SIMPLE, OBVIOUS THINGS TO SOME PEOPLE. [Pop captions down]
Megan Cole: BUT MAYBE NOT TO THEM.
Leo: WELL SHOW US WHAT YOU WOULD DO. IT IS BLOGS? [Both talking at once]
Megan Cole: WELL --
Leo: IS IT WIKIS? IS IT FORUMS? IS IT --
Megan Cole: YEAH I MEAN EXACTLY. I MEAN ONE THING FOR BLOGGING OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN USE TYPEPAD.
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: AND BLOGGER.
Leo: YEAH THEY'RE BOTH FREE.
Megan Cole: THEY'RE BOTH FINE. FREE SITES THAT YOU CAN SET UP YOUR OWN BLOG.
Leo: WORDPRESS.COM.
Megan Cole: I USE WORDPRESS AND WORDPRESS IS UM --
Leo: I LOVE WORDPRESS.
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: AND THIS IS FREE RIGHT?
Megan Cole: IT'S TOTALLY FREE. LIKE SO THIS IS THE INTERFACE IT LOOKS LIKE THIS. [Pop captions up]
Megan Cole: AND YOU CAN JUST GO AND SETUP I LOGGED IN AS MYSELF BUT.
Leo: NOW THEY DO GIVE YOU TEMPLATES SO YOU CAN MAKE IT LOOK DIFFERENT.
Megan Cole: OH HUNDREDS, GREAT DESIGNS TOO. LIKE FOR MINE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE FOR MINE, LIKE THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL CAUSE -- [Pop captions down]
Megan Cole: THAT'S MY PHOTO, BUT THEY GIVE YOU TEMPLATES THAT YOU CAN INSERT YOUR OWN HEADER PHOTO TOO.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: WHICH IS CLICKETY-CLICK.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: LIKE INSERT YOUR PHOTO HERE. UPDATE YOUR BLOG AND IT'S DONE SO.
Leo: NOW I NOTICE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE YOUR FLICKR PHOTOS AND SO FORTH. SO THEY ALLOW YOU TO ADD FEATURES LIKE THAT.
Megan Cole: THESE ARE CALLED WIDGETS.
Leo: WIDGETS.
Megan Cole: AND THEY'RE VERY EASY. YOU JUST WHEN YOU GO INTO YOUR WHAT THEY CALL DASHBOARD IN WORDPRESS --
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Megan Cole: YOU CAN QUICKLY GO IN THERE AND YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT ANY DIFFERENT TECHNICAL THINGS. YOU CAN ADD YOU SIMPLY JUST CLICK AND ADD.
Leo: THAT'S SO NICE. TYPEPAD DOES THAT AS WELL.
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY USEFUL AH --
Leo: AMDER USES TYPEPAD THE SAME EXACT WAY --
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: THEY DO A LOT OF WIDGETS SO.
Megan Cole: AND SO FOR THE CITY ROCKS WE USE TYPEPAD.
Leo: TYPEPAD?
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: BUT THIS ONE IS GOOD, IS BECAUSE IT OFFERS YOU A LOT MORE TECHNICALLY. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO BACK AND EVENTUALLY --
Leo: AND THIS IS COMPLETELY FREE RIGHT?
Megan Cole: COMPLETELY FREE.
Leo: YEAH TYPEPAD EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE BIT. BUT THIS NOTHING.
Megan Cole: NO, NO, NOT AT ALL. AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER NETWORKS THAT YOU CAN TAP INTO THE VIDEO SHARING AND THE PHOTO SHARING.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Megan Cole: SO THERE'S THE YOUTUBES AND THEN THERE'S THE - -
Leo: MMM-HMM. SO SHOULD THEY HAVE A FLICKR OR A BLIP ACCOUNT?
Megan Cole: OKAY WELL SO SURE, I MEAN IT'S ANOTHER COMMUNITY THAT YOU CAN TAP INTO THAT YOU CAN SHARE YOUR CAUSE.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: AND IT'S NOT AS OBVIOUS. LIKE IF YOU HAVE A FLICKR ACCOUNT YOU CAN IF YOU WERE A PART OF A CAMPAIGN FOR A, FOR A NON-PROFIT OR IF YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE CANCER SOCIETY AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE YOUR CAMPAIGN AND YOU'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE YOUR, ALL YOUR ORGANIZATION ACTIVITIES YOU CAN PHOTOGRAPH THEM. YOU CAN PUT THEM ON FLICKR. YOU CAN HAVE THEM AS PART OF YOUR GROWTH OF YOUR COMMUNITY ONLINE SO.
Leo: AND, AND IT DOES INTEGRATE BACK INTO YOUR WEBSITE --
Megan Cole: NONE OF IT HURTS.
Leo: VERY EASILY.
Megan Cole: IT ALL HELPS.
Leo: YEAH, YEAH.
Megan Cole: SO I MEAN I A YEAR AGO STARTED USING A LOT OF THESE OVER A YEAR AGO STARTED USING ALL OF THESE AND INCREASED MY WEB PRESENCE PERSONALLY --
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: SO MUCH.
Leo: WHAT ABOUT MANPOWER THOUGH? I MEAN THERE'S A LIMITED NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES OR VOLUNTEERS --
Megan Cole: TIME.
Leo: AND TIME.
Megan Cole: TIME.
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: TIME IS THE, IS THE TRICKY PART.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: YOU DO HAVE TO INVEST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: BUT IF YOU HAVE OKAY SO I'LL JUMP AHEAD AND GO TO FACEBOOK. I KNOW YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT FACEBOOK BEFORE. UM --
Leo: NOT ENOUGH. IT TURNS OUT TO BE --
Megan Cole: RIGHT.
Leo: MUCH BIGGER THEN I HAD ANY IDEA.
Megan Cole: WELL IT'S BECOME THIS --
Leo: THE THING.
Megan Cole: WELL IT'S SO GREAT BECAUSE NOT JUST I KNOW IT WAS INITIALLY SET UP FOR SCHOOLKIDS.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: TO CONNECT. BUT IT'S BECOME A REALLY GREAT WAY TO DO A BUSINESS BECAUSE IT'S THIS UMBRELLA THAT WILL INCORPORATE ALL THESE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS. [Pop captions up]
Leo: RIGHT, RIGHT.
Megan Cole: YOU CAN FILTER YOUR FLICKR IN. YOU CAN FILTER IN ALL YOUR GROUPS THAT YOU'RE A PART OF.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: SO I CAN GO ON FACEBOOK AND SET UP A GROUP FOR A CAMPAIGN MARCH THAT I'M GONNA HAVE FOR AN ORGANIZATION IN DOWNTOWN VANCOUVER. [Pop captions down]
Megan Cole: AND EVERYONE IN SEATTLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHO ARE IN MY COMMUNITY AND THEY CAN DRIVE UP FOR IT.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: AND BE A PART OF THAT --
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: THAT. THE TRICK IS WITH NON-PROFITS IS TO GET TAKE YOUR ONLINE COMMUNITY AND TO TAKE YOUR OFFLINE COMMUNITY AND MAKE THEM BOTH UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.
Leo: YOU'VE GOT TO MOBILIZE THE ONLINE COMMUNITY.
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: GET THEM INVOLVED IN DOING STUFF.
Megan Cole: YEAH AND THEN YOU --
Leo: CAUSE IT MEANS NOTHING JUST TO SIT AND LOOK AT A WEBSITE.
Megan Cole: SURE, EXACTLY. SO YOU CAN CREATE THE CONTENT BUT YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY KEEP THE CONVERSATION --
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: AND, AND TAKE IT OFFLINE.
Leo: ARE THERE PLACES YOU SHOULD BE CAREFUL OF? FOR INSTANCE YOU SAID FACEBOOK BUT I NOTICED NOT MYSPACE. IS IT, IS IT DO YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE OF WHAT THE COMMUNICATION IS THAT YOU'RE MAKING IF YOU PARTICIPATE IN SOME SITES?
Megan Cole: NO I'M GAME FOR THROWING IT OUT THERE --
Leo: IT DOESN'T MATTER.
Megan Cole: WHEREVER THE HELL YOU CAN FIND ONLINE --
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: PUT IT, PUT YOUR PROFILE OUT THERE.
Leo: OKAY.
Megan Cole: OUT THERE SO.
Leo: YEAH WELL I NOTICE AGAIN I HATE TO KEEP USING THIS BUT THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES IN THE U.S. ARE ON EVERY SITE THEY CAN FIND.
Megan Cole: YEAH AND I'M TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THE CANADIAN CANDIDATES INTO --
Leo: AND THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT?
Megan Cole: NO.
Leo: ISN'T THAT FUNNY?
Megan Cole: THEY NEED TO.
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: YEAH IT'S PATHETIC REALLY. [Both laugh]
Leo: HOW ABOUT SITES LIKE --
Megan Cole: WE'RE NOT POLITICS HERE THOUGH.
Leo: SITES LIKE TWITTER OR JAIKU WHERE IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TEMPORAL AND IT'S --
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: I, I NOTICED FOR INSTANCE JOHN EDWARDS IN THE U.S. IS ON TWITTER. HE'LL POST -- [Both talking at once]
Megan Cole: HIS ACTIVITY.
Leo: IT MAKES HIM MORE PERSONAL. I NOTICED JUST WATCHING IT, IT MAKES HIM MORE PERSONABLE.
Megan Cole: SURE.
Leo: IT MAKES HIM MORE APPROACHABLE.
Megan Cole: YEAH AND ALSO HE'S SMART BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY HAD A PODCAST BEFORE ALL OF THEM.
Leo: PODCASTING IS ANOTHER ONE.
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: SHOULD YOU MAKE A PODCAST?
Megan Cole: UM IT'S PRETTY EASY.
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: SO IF YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE AND A COMPUTER AND AN INTERNET CONNECTION.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: YOU CAN DO IT.
Leo: WHAT A GREAT WAY TO REACH OUT TO YOUR --
Megan Cole: YEAH AND THEN YOU CAN POST YOUR PODCASTS ON YOUR BLOG AND YOU CAN POST IT ON YOUR VARIOUS SOCIAL NETWORKS.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: ANOTHER REALLY GOOD ONE IS AN EVENTS CALENDAR CALLED UPCOMING.ORG.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Megan Cole: WHICH YAHOO JUST ACQUIRED AND THAT'S REALLY NEAT. I USE IT ALL THE TIME MOSTLY FOR MUSIC STUFF. BUT YOU CAN POST YOUR EVENTS. IF YOU'RE HAVING, IF YOU WERE CAMPAIGNING, IF YOU'RE HAVING ANY KIND OF A SOCIAL EVENT --
Leo: AND YOU INVITE PEOPLE TO THE EVENT THEY CAN SIGN UP. YOU GET RSVP LISTS.
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: AND THAT HELPS LIKE SO FOR, FOR CIVIL SOCIETIES YOU'RE ACTING LOCALLY BUT YOU'RE GLOBAL.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: RIGHT SO.
Leo: WELL THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF ALL OF THIS STUFF -- [Pop captions up]
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: IS THAT IT IS INTERNATIONAL. IF YOU'RE ON THE WEB --
Megan Cole: RIGHT.
Leo: YOU ARE EVERYWHERE --
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: THAT SOMEBODY CAN GET ONLINE.
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: NOW THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY SOME CHARITIES WHO ARE AND CIVIL GROUPS THAT ARE NOT REACHING OUT TO THE WIRED WORLD.
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: SO THIS WON'T WORK AS WELL FOR THEM. BUT IF YOU'RE YOU KNOW YOU'RE REACHING OUT TO THE WIRED WORLD -- [Pop captions down]
Megan Cole: YOU'RE GAINING SUPPORT.
Leo: RIGHT.
Megan Cole: A GROWING COMMUNITY TO SHARE YOUR CAUSE.
Leo: INCREASINGLY EVERYBODY'S WIRED.
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: I, I, I YOU DO RUN ACROSS PEOPLE THOUGH EVERY DAY I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT DON'T, THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THESE TOOLS ARE OUT THERE AND THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE.
Leo: SO I GUESS YOU SHOULDN'T ASSUME THIS IS THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA REACH PEOPLE.
Megan Cole: NO. [Both talking at once]
Leo: THIS IS PART OF YOUR --
Megan Cole: THIS IS ABSOLUTELY.
Leo: YEAH.
Megan Cole: THIS IS YOUR ONLINE STRATEGY.
Leo: OKAY.
Megan Cole: A PART OF YOUR ONLINE STRATEGY.
Leo: OKAY.
Megan Cole: SO YEAH.
Leo: YOU DON'T GIVE UP ON THE, ON THE STANDARD FUNDRAISING AND THE EVENTS AND SO FORTH.
Megan Cole: OH OF COURSE NOT. THERE'S WHERE BOTH WORLDS HAVE TO CONNECT.
Leo: RIGHT, RIGHT. [Both talking at once]
Megan Cole: SO FOR SURE, YEAH.
Leo: THIS IS AN ADJUNCT.
Megan Cole: YEAH EXACTLY.
Leo: TOOL.
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: ALTHOUGH AS TIME GOES BY AND MORE AND MORE PEOPLE GET WIRED THIS IS CLEARLY --
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: SOMETHING YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE PART OF. I'M KIND OF SURPRISED STEPHEN HARPER IS NOT ONLINE IN, IN MORE --
Megan Cole: NO. THOUGH THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT. I CHECKED OUT ALL THEIR SITES, CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I MEAN IT'S OUT THERE NOW IN THE U.S. --
Leo: RIGHT. [Both talking at once]
Megan Cole: OKAY --
Leo: SO THEY'RE PROBABLY LOOKING -- [Both talking at once]
Megan Cole: -- POLITICIANS RIGHT.
Leo: AND I WONDER IN AUSTRALIA TOO WHERE WE'RE ALSO SEEING IT.
Megan Cole: HMM.
Leo: HOW, HOW, LET US KNOW HOW ARE, ARE YOUR POLITICIANS IS USING THE INTERNET TO -- [Both talking at once]
Megan Cole: YEAH DO THEY HAVE A BLOG? DO THEY HAVE PODCASTS? I MEAN JOHN EDWARDS IS USING TWITTER. AND THAT'S THE MOST --
Leo: ULTIMATELY IT'S ABOUT DEMOCRACY ISN'T IT?
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: IT'S ABOUT BEING AVAILABLE TO YOUR VOTERS.
Megan Cole: EXACTLY YEAH.
Leo: AND TALKING TO THEM AND --
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: AND HORRORS LETTING THEM TALK BACK TO YOU.
Megan Cole: YEAH.
Leo: IF WE WANT TO KNOW MORE WHERE SHOULD WE GO TO FIND MORE ABOUT YOU MEGAN?
Megan Cole: I'M MEGANCOLE.ORG.
Leo: OKAY.
Megan Cole: AND THEN CATAPULTMEDIA.CA.
Leo: OKAY. [Pop captions up]
Megan Cole: THE COMPANY THAT --
Leo: OKAY AND OF COURSE LABWITHLEO.COM WHERE WE'VE GOT ALL OF MEGAN'S NOTES. THANK YOU MEGAN FOR JOINING US.
Megan Cole: YOU'RE WELCOME.
Leo: CAUSE I APPRECIATE IT.
Megan Cole: NO PROBLEM.
Leo: I THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING FOR EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO REACH OUT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT. WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST A BIT WITH MORE OF YOUR CALLS. BUT FIRST LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT A CLOSEUP PICTURE OF SOMETHING MR. SEAN CARRUTHERS SPOTTED AROUND "THE LAB". HMM, IT LOOKS LIKE A LETTER OF SOME KIND. WHAT COULD THAT BE? THINK ABOUT IT. WE'LL ZOOM OUT TO FIND OUT AS "THE LAB" CONTINUES. STAY RIGHT HERE. [Pop captions down] [MUSIC] [Commercial break] [MUSIC] [Pop captions up]
Leo: WELCOME BACK TO "THE LAB". BEFORE THE BREAK WE SHOWED YOU THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE LETTERING. I'M THINKING LETTERING WITH WHITE PAINTING ON IT. OH I KNOW WHAT IT IS, IT IS! I FIGURED IT OUT RIGHT JUST BEFORE YOU SHOWED IT, HONEST, HONEST I DID! [Pop captions down]
Leo: IT'S THE EASY BUTTON. MAYBE IT'S CAUSE --
Sean Carruthers: THAT WAS EASY.
Leo: THAT WAS EASY. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE SEAN WAS SAYING JUST BEFORE WE CAME BACK FROM THE BREAK WHERE'S OUR EASY BUTTON? WE HAD ONE HERE SOMEWHERE. [Both talking at once]
Leo: THAT, THAT KIND OF GAVE IT AWAY.
Sean Carruthers: YEAH I WANTED TO HIT IT.
Leo: YEAH I WONDER WHERE IT IS?
Sean Carruthers: SOMEWHERE.
Leo: SOMEBODY STOLE OUR EASY BUTTON?
Sean Carruthers: THE LOCATION IS HARD.
Leo: NOW YOU THINK STAPLES WOULD GIVE YOU THAT. BUT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO BUY IT. WHO WOULD BUY THAT, REALLY?
Sean Carruthers: WELL WE HAD ONE. [Some laugh]
Leo: THERE YOU GO. IT'S LIKE FIVE BUCKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RIGHT?
Sean Carruthers: YEAH.
Leo: TO BUY A BUTTON THAT'S BASICALLY AN AD FOR STAPLES, GO FIGURE. SEE IF I COULD JUST THINK LIKE THAT I'D BE A WEALTHY MAN, AH. MEANWHILE KATE ABRAHAM WHO HAVE YOU GOT FOR US ON THE PHONE?
Kate: THIS IS KEITH FROM LONDON IN ONTARIO AND HE'S --
Leo: YEAH I SEE VIC IS LOOKING ON THERE.
Kate: I WANT TO KEEP THAT. VIA SKYPE HE'S ON THE LINE NOW.
Leo: OKAY. WHAT'S HIS NAME AGAIN?
Kate: KEITH.
Leo: HEY KEITH.
Keith: HI LEO.
Leo: HOW ARE YOU TODAY?
Keith: OH GREAT THANKS.
Leo: WELCOME TO "THE LAB".
Keith: YEAH IT'S GREAT TO BE ON YOUR SHOW.
Leo: OH I'M SO GLAD YOU CALLED. WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU?
Keith: WELL MY QUESTION'S ABOUT WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN A LOW COST VISTA LAPTOP.
Leo: OKAY. [Pop captions up]
Keith: I'D LIKE TO FIND A VISTA LAPTOP THAT RUNS AT THE SAME PERCEIVED SPEED AS MY DELL INSPIRON 1150.
Leo: AH AND YOU'RE RUNNING XP ON THE 1150?
Keith: 2.8 GIGAHURTS PROCESSOR.
Leo: HOW FAST IS IT?
Keith: AH 2.8 GIGAHURTS.
Leo: OKAY.
Keith: AH 512 MEGS RAM.
Leo: OKAY. [Pop captions down]
Keith: IT RUNS XP HOME EDITION.
Leo: OKAY.
Keith: AND IT RUNS ALL OF MY BUSINESS APPLICATIONS REASONABLY WELL. IT'S NOT -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: VISTA IS NOT A LOT SLOWER. I WOULD SAY THE ONLY THING ON THAT, THAT I WOULD SAY YOU NEED FASTER OR MORE OF IS, IS RAM. YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO TRY TO RUN VISTA ON LESS THAN A GIGABYTE OF MEMORY. [Pop captions up]
Leo: IF YOU WERE TO BUY A NEW DELL LAPTOP I WOULD SAY GET TWO GIGABYTES OF MEMORY. ANY CORE 2 PROCESSOR OUT THERE WILL WORK. AND NOTICE BY THE WAY THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE MUCH LOWER CLOCK SPEEDS. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE 2.8 GIGAHURTS. THEY'RE GONNA BE MORE LIKE 1.3, 1.5, MAYBE 2 GIGAHURTS.
Keith: OH I SEE.
Leo: BUT THAT PROCESSOR THAT CORE 2 PROCESSOR RUNS AS FAST OR FASTER THAN A FASTER CLOCKED PENTIUM 4. [Pop captions down]
Leo: SO THAT DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE, THE GIGAHURTS ANYMORE. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
Keith: OKAY.
Leo: THE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE INTEL IS THEY ACTUALLY WENT DOWN THIS PENTIUM 4 TURNED OUT TO BE KIND OF A BUST FRANKLY. THEY WENT DOWN A PATH I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO TECHNICAL, BUT THEY WENT DOWN A DESIGN PATH A PROCESSOR DESIGN PATH CALLED PIPELINING. WHERE AND, AND, AND IT WAS THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA GIVE THEM THE KEY TO FUTURE PROCESSORS MUCH FASTER PERFORMANCE. IN PRACTICE IT TURNED OUT ONCE THEY STARTED RUNNING REAL SOFTWARE ON IT IN REAL ENVIRONMENTS NOT TO BE FASTER. TO BE A LOT HOTTER, CONSUME A LOT MORE ENERGY. IN FACT IT TURNED OUT TO BE KIND OF A PIG. SO INTEL WENT WHOA WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PENTIUM 4 LINE AND IT'S JUST A FLOP. WHAT DO WE DO? AND THEY LOOKED TO A VERY SMALL PART OF THE COMPANY IN, IN, IN ISRAEL THE GROUP THAT HAD DESIGNED THE PENTIUM M. PENTIUM M WAS FAST, BUT COOL. IT WAS VERY EFFICIENT. THEY'D BEEN USING IT IN LAPTOPS. THEY SAID DUDES YOU SEEM TO HAVE THE KEY. THIS PRESCOTT HAS BEEN A FLOP. THIS PENTIUM 4 HAS BEEN A FLOP. WHAT HAVE YOU GOT? THEY DESIGNED THE CORE DUO AND THEN THE CORE 2 DUO BASED ON THE PENTIUM M DESIGN, WHICH IS DON'T TELL ANYBODY MUCH MORE LIKE A PENTIUM 3 THAN A PENTIUM 4. BUT IT TURNS OUT TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. IT WORKS WELL IN THE REAL WORLD. YOU KNOW THEORETICALLY THE PENTIUM 4 WAS A GOOD IDEA. BUT IN THE REAL WORLD THE PENTIUM 3 WAS A BETTER CHOICE. THE PENTIUM M WAS A BETTER CHOICE AND NOW THESE CORE 2S. I THINK THEY'RE VERY GOOD. DON'T LOOK AT CLOCK SPEED. THEY'RE VERY FAST FOR IN, FOR, FOR USING VISTA THERE'S TWO THINGS YOU'RE GONNA WANT IS A LOT OF RAM. A GIGABYTE MINIMUM, TWO IS BETTER. SOME PEOPLE EVEN SAY FOUR IS BETTER. BUT, BUT I THINK THAT'S OVERKILL. TWO IS BETTER. AND UM IF YOU WANT TO GET THE AERO GLASS YOU KNOW THE TRANSPARENCY, THE 3D EFFECTS.
Keith: YEAH.
Leo: THE LITTLE THUMBNAILS WHEN YOU HOVER OVER THE TASKBAR YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET A GOOD, FAST VIDEO CARD. THERE'S TWO, TWO LEVELS OF AER, OF VISTA COMPATABILITY. YOU'LL SEE THAT ITS VISTA CAPABLE AH WHAT IS IT PREMIUM? VISTA CAPABLE VISTA PREMIUM READY. IT'S VERY CONFUSING. THANK YOU MICROSOFT. BUT YOU WANT VISTA PREMIUM READY OKAY. THAT'LL TELL YOU THAT IT'S GONNA USE WORK WITH AERO. BASICALLY YOU WANT A 128 MEGABYTE VIDEO CARD. MANY LAPTOPS MY DELL, INSPIRON 710 OR I'M SORRY 1210, AH DOES SUPPORT AERO. WORKS VERY WELL WITH IT, HAS A CORE 2 PROCESSOR AND I'M VERY HAPPY WITH IT. IT'S VERY SNAPPY. IT WILL BE ABSOLUTELY AS SNAPPY AS YOUR INSPIRON. [Pop captions up]
Keith: YEAH SO I BASICALLY I, I MUST STAY AWAY I GUESS FROM THE VERY LOW END COMPUTERS --
Leo: YES.
Keith: THAT ARE BEING SOLD FOR $600 THAT JUST HAVE 512 MEG RAM RIGHT?
Leo: YEAH AND CERTAINLY FOR VISTA. [Pop captions down]
Leo: THE OTHER THING WRONG WITH THEM IS THEY COME WITH VISTA BASIC WHICH IS WORTHLESS. I MEAN WOULDN'T DON'T EVEN, DON'T EVEN CONSIDER IT. YOU'RE GONNA BE SPENDING A COUPLE OF HUNDRED OF BUCKS TO UPGRADE IT IMMEDIATELY.
Keith: WELL THAT'S THE SORT OF DISTINCTION I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE WHEN I SHOP. BUT SO MANY COMPUTERS NOW --
Leo: I KNOW.
Keith: ARE BEING SOLD JUST WITH VISTA HOME BASIC.
Leo: IT'S TERRIBLE.
Keith: AND IT --
Leo: NOT HOME BASIC THOUGH - - [Both talking at once]
Keith: JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
Leo: YEAH YOU WANT HOME PREMIUM IS, IS MY RECOMMENDATION THAT'S THE SWEET SPOT. I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE NEED ULTIMATE BUT HOME PREMIUM YOU WANT. AND --
Keith: OH I SEE.
Leo: YEAH AND, AND YOU WANT VISTA PREMIUM READY NOT, NOT VISTA CAPABLE.
Keith: RIGHT, OKAY.
Leo: UM IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING I AGREE. THE WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THE, THE MANUFACTURERS WANT TO OFFER 5 AND $600 LAPTOPS. THAT BRINGS PEOPLE IN THE DOOR. THOSE ARE THEIR LOST LEADERS. THEY GO TO MICROSOFT THEY SAY GUYS WE NEED A LOW COST VERION OF WINDOWS. WE NEED A NICE DESIGNATION THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THESE ARE JUNKY LAPTOPS. WE NEED A WAY TO SELL THESE AND MICROSOFT OF COURSE HELPS THEM. SO MICROSOFT COMES UP WITH A TERMINOLOGY THAT DOESN'T SOUND TOO LAME. IT COMES UP WITH A VERSION OF WINDOWS THAT'S KIND OF VISTA BUT NOT VERY GOOD. I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. SO --
Keith: YEAH.
Leo: AND, AND THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN TRUE. YOU KNOW YOU REALLY DON'T WANT THE CHEAPEST COMPUTER. YOU KNOW IT'S A PENNY-WISE AND POUND-FOOLISH. IN THE LONGRUN YOU'LL END UP GETTING A, JUST SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE AND GETTING A LITTLE BIT BETTER COMPUTER AND YOU'LL GET MUCH MORE USE OUT OF IT.
Keith: YEAH WELL I, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION RELATING TO THE AMD PROCESSORS THAT DELL IS OFFERING.
Leo: YEAH.
Keith: YOU, YOU DON'T RECOMMEND GOING WITH AN AMD PROCESSOR TO --
Leo: I THINK THESE TURIONS ARE FINE BUT THEY'RE NOT AS GOOD IN BANG FOR YOUR BUCK AS THE INTEL. RIGHT NOW INTEL HAS THE UPPER HAND AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE AND BY THE WAY I'M A HUGE AMD FAN. IF IT WEREN'T FOR AMD WE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THESE GREAT PROCESSORS. THERE WOULDN'T BE THE PRESSURE ON INTEL TO IMPROVE. THERE WOULDN'T BE THE PRESSURE TO KEEP THE PRICES LOW. SO THAT COMPETITION'S GOOD. I SUPPORTED AMD AND I RECOMMENDED AMD FOR YEARS. BUT INTEL HAS JUMPED AHEAD AND IT WON'T BE UNTIL 2008 THAT YOU'LL SEE AMD PROCESSORS THAT YOU KNOW IN MY OPINION AND I'M NOT ALONE. I THINK MOST PEOPLE AGREE AS FAST AND AS, AS, AS USEFUL AS THE INTEL PROCESSORS. BANG FOR YOUR BUCK STICK WITH INTEL. OKAY? HEY I THANK YOU FOR THE CALL. I APPRECIATE IT. IT'S REALLY, REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS. IT'S VERY CONFUSING OUT THERE IN THE MARKETPLACE RIGHT NOW. [Pop captions up]
Leo: COMING UP IN JUST A BIT RAJ AND TAVIS, TWO OF OUR GREAT DESIGNERS HERE AT "THE LAB WITH LEO". THEY'RE GONNA SHOW US ABOUT THEY'VE DONE IS RESKIN OUR WEBSITE. THAT SHOULD BE A LOT OF FUN. BEFORE WE GO ON THOUGH I WANT TO GIVE YOU OUR QUIZ QUESTION OF THE DAY. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. LET'S SEE HOW, PUT ON YOUR THINKING, YOUR NERD CAP. [Blank for boards]
Leo: THESE ARE THE NEW INTEL CHIPS. WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT SOCKET? [Blank for boards]
Leo: YEAH I THINK IT'S THE SHOULDER SOCKET. [Laughs]
Leo: GIVE US YOUR BEST GUESS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT WHEN "THE LAB" CONTINUES. [MUSIC] [Pop captions down] [Commercial break] [MUSIC]
Leo: WELCOME BACK TO "THE LAB WITH LEO". IF YOU'VE BEEN TO "THE LAB WITH LEO" WEBSITE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT. WE LOOK DIFFERENT. IT'S GOT A WHOLE NEW LOOK. THEY CALL THAT IN THE BUSINESS RESKINNING AND HERE ARE THE SKINNERS. TAVIS DUNN WHO IS OUR ART DIRECTOR HERE WITH GREEDY PRODUCTIONS AND RAJ BRAR OUR WEBMASTER. HELLO RAJ.
Raj Brar: HELLO.
Leo: HELLO TAVIS, GOOD TO HAVE YOU. AH SO FIRST OF ALL WHY DID WE REDESIGN THE WEBSITE?
Raj Brar: UM MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT FLASHIER. [Pop captions up]
Raj Brar: WE HAD THE INITIAL SITE WHICH HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION ON IT AND SO FORTH AND IT WAS REALLY UP TO GET UP THERE AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED. BUT AFTER A WHILE WE WANTED TO RESKIN IT MAKE IT A LITTLE FLASHIER YOU KNOW.
Leo: THIS HAPPENS OFTEN WHEN PEOPLE DO A WEBSITE. [Pop captions down]
Raj Brar: YEAH.
Leo: THEY, THEY'LL, WE, WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF ENERGY CHOOSING THE BACKEND ON DROOPLE.
Tavis Dunn: MMM-HMM.
Leo: AND, AND THINKING ABOUT SO WE, SO THAT WE COULD FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS GONNA WORK WELL FOR THE FUTURE RIGHT?
Raj Brar: EXACTLY.
Leo: BUT THEN WE GOT IT AND WE GOT IT ONLINE, WE GOT IT UP AND RUNNING WE GOT PEOPLE. BUT THEN PEOPLE CAME IN AND STARTED USING IT.
Raj Brar: YEAH.
Leo: AND YOU LEARN A LOT ONCE PEOPLE START USING IT.
Raj Brar: EXACTLY. THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS PEOPLE SAYING YOU KNOW THAT IT'S NOT FLASHY ENOUGH OR WHATEVER AND THAT -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: OR I CAN'T FIND THIS OR THAT.
Raj Brar: EXACTLY.
Leo: OR I WANT THIS TO BE HERE AND THAT KIND OF THING.
Raj Brar: MMM-HMM.
Tavis Dunn: IT DIDN'T ACTUALLY IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THE SHOW EITHER. IF YOU NOTICED WHEN YOU WENT TO THE OLD PAGE -- [Pop captions up]
Leo: RIGHT.
Tavis Dunn: JUST KIND OF THIS GREY THING WOULD SHOW.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Tavis Dunn: IT HAS A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF LOOK.
Leo: IT WAS KIND OF GENERIC.
Tavis Dunn: YEAH.
Raj Brar: YEAH. [Both talking at once]
Leo: -- FOR THE SHOW.
Tavis Dunn: IT WAS, IT WAS ABOUT GETTING OUT THERE QUICKLY.
Leo: RIGHT.
Tavis Dunn: WE WANTED TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL AND JUST SO PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW OUR FIRST DAY COULD, COULD LOG INTO SOMETHING.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Tavis Dunn: AND IT WORKED BUT.
Leo: SO ONCE YOU MAKE THE DECISION TO REDESIGN WHAT'S NEXT? WHERE DO YOU BEGIN?
Raj Brar: WELL TAVIS THAT'S HIS JOB NEXT REALLY HE'S THE ART DIRECTOR. SO THE NEXT IDEA WAS WELL WHAT DO WE WANT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE?
Leo: DID YOU COME IN WITH A SPECIFICATION SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE ON THE PAGE OR? [Pop captions down]
Raj Brar: UM TO A CERTAIN DEGREE HE KNEW WHAT THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE WAS ALREADY.
Leo: HE ALREADY KNEW THE FUNCTIONALITY FROM THE -- [All talking at once]
Tavis Dunn: WE KNEW WE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE LAYOUT.
Leo: RIGHT.
Tavis Dunn: WE KNEW FOR SURE WE DIDN'T WANT TO RADICALLY CHANGE EVERYTHING BECAUSE YOU KNOW LIKED THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Tavis Dunn: IT'S JUST WE WANTED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE PRETTIER AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE TV SHOW.
Leo: IN, IN SOMETIMES IN WEB DESIGN THEY USE A TERM CALLED INFORMATION ARCHITECTURE.
Tavis Dunn: MMM-HMM.
Leo: WHERE BEFORE YOU START THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU THINK ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA USE IT.
Raj Brar: MMM-HMM.
Leo: WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO. WHERE THE TRAFFIC FLOWS, THAT KIND OF THING.
Raj Brar: EXACTLY AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE PLAYED ON. SO WE HAD THE MENUS SET UP WHERE THEY SHOULD BE SET UP.
Leo: RIGHT.
Raj Brar: UM WE HAD --
Leo: AND THE WAY YOU'VE DONE THE INFORMATION ARCHITECTURE PUBLICLY.
Both: YEAH.
Raj Brar: WE DID, WE DID.
Leo: YOU SAID HERE'S OUR WIREFRAME. [Both talking at once]
Leo: YOU KNOW WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE BUT HERE'S HOW IT'S GONNA WORK AND, AND, AND WE GOT SOME REAL GOOD FEEDBACK ON IT.
Raj Brar: THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY IT.
Leo: YEAH.
Raj Brar: THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SORT OF WAITING FOR.
Leo: MOST PEOPLE DO THAT IN PRIVATE BUT THAT'S OKAY. [All laughing]
Raj Brar: WELL THIS IS A TV SHOW YOU KNOW.
Leo: NOW TAVIS IS A GREAT DESIGNER.
Raj Brar: HE IS.
Leo: I MEAN HE'S DONE ALL THE GRAPHICS FOR "THE LAB". HE'S DONE THE SHOW OPENING. HE'S DONE ALL, YOU KNOW IF YOU LIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON "THE LAB" WE CAN, WE CAN THANK TAVIS FOR THAT.
Raj Brar: MMM-HMM.
Leo: SO WHERE DO YOU START? WHAT, WHAT PROGRAM DO YOU USE? IS IT? I SEE PHOTOSHOP.
Tavis Dunn: YOU KNOW WHAT? IT WAS ALL PHOTOSHOP.
Leo: YEAH.
Tavis Dunn: I MEAN IT WAS COMPLETELY WHICH FOR ME WAS REALLY NICE BECAUSE I'M NOT A WEB DESIGNER. I, I YOU KNOW YOU PUT ME INTO A, A WEB DESIGNING PROGRAM I'M NOT REALLY GONNA KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.
Leo: RIGHT.
Tavis Dunn: BUT SEE THE GREAT THING ABOUT, ABOUT HAVING RAJ HERE IS I CAN JUST MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO FOCUS ON NOW --
Leo: SO YOU WERE JUST DRAWING THAT'S IT?
Tavis Dunn: I'M LITERALLY DRAWING. I'M TAKING THE -- THAT I ALREADY BUILT FOR THE TV SHOW AND I'M, I'M SLAPPING EM IN PHOTOSHOP AND I'M, I'M MOVING IT AROUND AND, AND THE NICE THING IS ALSO I HAD LIKE A FRAMEWORK TO WORK WITHIN. I KNEW OKAY, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE I HAD TO HAVE THESE CERTAIN -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: THESE ARE THE MENUS YOU HAVE TO HAVE.
Tavis Dunn: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
Tavis Dunn: FOR ME BELIEVE IT OR NOT THAT'S EASIER. THAT'S I CAN YOU KNOW GET THINGS UP QUICKER --
Leo: RIGHT.
Tavis Dunn: IF YOU TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.
Leo: DID TAVIS COME UP SOME STUFF THAT YOU, YOU, YOU LOOKED AT RAJ AND SAID OH WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT?
Raj Brar: YES. [Both laughing]
Raj Brar: HE DID.
Leo: THAT OFTEN HAPPENS I MEAN BECAUSE IT'S YOU COULD DO ANYTHING IN PHOTOSHOP.
Tavis Dunn: YEAH.
Leo: BUT THE WEB MAY CONSTRAIN YOU A LITTLE RIGHT?
Raj Brar: YEAH.
Tavis Dunn: SURE.
Raj Brar: THAT'S EXACTLY IT AND IF YOU NOTICE THE GLOWING MENUS ON THE SIDE OR SORRY THE MENU HEADERS ON THE SIDE HERE - -
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Raj Brar: THEY SORT OF GLOW AND NOW EACH ONE IS A SEPARATE GRAPHIC ELEMENT. THEN WHAT THE DIFFICULTLY WE HAD WAS WE HAVE A GRADIENT BACKGROUND AND TO PUT THESE ELEMENTS ON A GRADIENT BACKGROUND WAS QUITE DIFFICULT BECAUSE A GRADIENT DOES CHANGE AS YOU MOVE UP AND DOWN.
Leo: RIGHT. RIGHT. SO YOU CAN'T JUST USE A GRAPHIC?
Raj Brar: YOU CAN'T JUST USE A GRAPHIC.
Leo: RIGHT.
Raj Brar: SO WE HAD TO ACTUALLY PUT IT SOMEWHERE. SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING IS COMPROMISING A LITTLE BIT AND BASICALLY USING A BLACK ALONG THE TOP ON THE WEBSITE ITSELF.
Leo: SO YOU DON'T ACTUALLY GET TO THE GRADIENT TILL LATER?
Raj Brar: NO UNTIL YOU GET DOWN TO A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT LATER.
Leo: THAT SOLVES THAT PROBLEM.
Raj Brar: IT DID. IT WAS A BIT OF A WORK AROUND. BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT DO HAPPEN YES.
Leo: SO TAVIS GIVES YOU A DRAWING.
Raj Brar: HE GIVES ME THE DRAWING.
Leo: THEN WHAT?
Raj Brar: THEN I'VE GOT AN IDEA WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING FOR COLOURS THE FONTS AND SO FORTH.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Raj Brar: FOR THE LENGTHS.
Leo: DO YOU GO BACK TO HIM AND SAY I NEED A BUTTON OF THIS PROPORTION, THIS SIZE, THIS COLOUR?
Raj Brar: AH TO A DEGREE I DO, YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
Raj Brar: I MEAN IF I DO NEED A BUTTON HE'S GONNA -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: YOU'RE NOT GONNA CUT IT OUT OF THIS AND PUT IT ON THE PAGE?
Raj Brar: I DO ACTUALLY.
Leo: YOU DID?
Raj Brar: I DID. UM BECAUSE THE QUALITY OF THE GRAPHIC IS SO GOOD AND IT IS IN PHOTOSHOP AND SO FORTH.
Leo: RIGHT.
Raj Brar: THAT EACH ELEMENT I CAN LOOK AT AND -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: DOES PHOTOSHOP GIVES YOU TOOLS TO DO THAT OR IS IT KIND OF --
Raj Brar: PHOTOSHOP DOES ACTUALLY. NOW THAT IT HAS THE IT'S GOT THE SAME FOR WEB OR WEB DESIGN.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Raj Brar: THIS IS A FUNCTIONALITY BUILT INTO IT. SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SAVE ANY OF THE ELEMENTS AS A JPEG OR YOU KNOW OPTIMIZE FOR THE WEB.
Leo: AH BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE TAVIS WAS SMART. HE USED LAYERS TO DO EACH OF THESE ELEMENTS.
Tavis Dunn: THAT'S IT EXACTLY YEAH.
Leo: SO IT WASN'T ONE FLAT PICTURE.
Tavis Dunn: IF YOU WANTED ANY ELEMENT ISOLATED --
Leo: WELL LET'S SEE THAT.
Tavis Dunn: YOU CAN DO THAT DEFINITELY.
Raj Brar: UM --
Leo: SO IF WE TURN OFF ALL THE --
Raj Brar: WELL LET'S JUST LOOK AT THIS ONE HERE, WHICH IS JUST THE WE CAN'T REALLY SEE IT OF COURSE.
Leo: THIS IS JUST "THE LAB" GRAPHIC. WELL IT'S ON A TRANSPARENT BACKGROUND BUT WE CAN SEE IT SO --
Raj Brar: AND I'LL PUT THE BACKGROUND ON THERE. SO JUST THAT GRAPHIC ITSELF THE COMING UP ON "THE LAB" GRAPHIC IS THERE BY ITSELF.
Leo: THAT MAKES IT VERY EASY FOR YOU.
Raj Brar: YOU SPED IT UP. IT DOES MAKE IT EASY ON HIM.
Leo: YEAH, YEAH.
Raj Brar: YEAH.
Leo: YOU CAN JUST PUT IT ON THE PAGE.
Raj Brar: YEAH AND IT'S EASIER --
Leo: ARE YOU USING CSS ON THIS PAGE?
Raj Brar: THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF CSS AND WE BASICALLY WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING WAS BECAUSE DROOPLE WORKS WITH THEMES WE ENDED UP PUTTING --
Leo: DROOPLE IS OUR CONTENT MANAGER.
Raj Brar: IS OUR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND BECAUSE IT WORKS ON THEMES WE DECIDED TO CREATE OUR OWN BASIC THEME AND SO UM --
Leo: OH THAT'S KIND OF NEAT. SO NOW YOU HAVE A "LAB WITH LEO" THEME.
Raj Brar: WE HAVE A "LAB WITH LEO" THEME. WE MIGHT BE MAKING IT AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE IF THEY WANT TO USE IT.
Leo: OH THAT'S COOL.
Raj Brar: IT'S FOR THE LAYOUT AND SO FORTH.
Leo: TO DO A FANSITE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
Raj Brar: EXACTLY.
Leo: THEY, THEY COULD DO THAT YEAH. [Pop captions up]
Raj Brar: AND ANOTHER COOL THING THAT WE ENDED UP DOING WAS LIKE WE THE SITE AS YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE HERE BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY FUNCTION VERY WELL FOR US ON THE BACK END WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY INCORPORATING CONTENT AND SO FORTH. SO WHAT WE DECIDED TO USE WAS USE ANOTHER THEME FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASPECT. WE'RE STILL USING OUR OLD THEME.
Leo: SO WHEN YOU GO INTO ADMINISTRATOR YOU SEE A SIMPLE, CLEAN -- [Pop captions down] [Both talking at once]
Raj Brar: WE STILL SEE THESE THE OLD PROGRAM. [Both talking at once]
Leo: BORING THEME.
Raj Brar: WELL EXACTLY.
Leo: BUT YOU DON'T CARE BECAUSE THAT'S THE BEHIND THE SCENES, THAT'S BACKSTAGE.
Raj Brar: EXACTLY.
Leo: YEAH THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
Raj Brar: YEAH.
Leo: AND ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT USING A, A CONTENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND THEMING IS ALL THE FUNCTIONALITY THAT YOU ORIGINALLY HAD ON THE PAGE STAYS IT DOESN'T CHANGE. YOU'RE JUST SAYING THIS IS HOW IT LOOKS. THIS IS HOW THAT LOOKS. THIS IS HOW THAT LOOKS. AND, AND DROOPLE HANDLES THE, THE CONTENT IN THE BACK IN THE SAME WAY.
Raj Brar: THAT'S EXACTLY IT. SO WE COULD GO --
Leo: NOTHING'S CHANGED.
Raj Brar: WE COULD GO AND THEME, WE COULD GO AND PUT ANOTHER THEME ON.
Leo: RIGHT.
Raj Brar: WE COULD ACTUALLY GO BACK TO THE THEME TODAY IF WE WANTED TO --
Leo: RIGHT.
Raj Brar: AND IT EVERYTHING WOULD BE, ALL THE INFORMATION WOULD STILL BE THERE BUT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IT DID BACK THEN.
Leo: THERE ARE EVEN SITES SOMETHING LIKE CSS ZEN GARDEN - -
Raj Brar: YEAH.
Leo: WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THE SAME CONTENT AND APPLY DIFFERENT THEMES ON THE FLY AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.
Raj Brar: EXACTLY.
Leo: AND YOU'LL SEE HOW, HOW THEME, HOW POWERFUL THEMING IS.
Raj Brar: MMM-HMM.
Leo: IT DOESN'T EFFECT THE CONTENT IN ANY WAY. THE CONTENT STAYS THE SAME.
Raj Brar: EXACTLY.
Leo: YOU JUST PLANTER IT ON TOP. RAJ BRAR AND TAVIS DUNN WORK HERE AT GREEDY PRODUCTIONS. RAJ IS OUR WEBMASTER. TAVIS OUR ART DIRECTOR AND THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB MAKING THE NEW "LAB" SITE. I'LL HOPE YOU'LL STOP BY AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. CLICK SOME BUTTONS. [Pop captions up]
Leo: AND IF YOU NOTICE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE CHANGED JUST EMAIL EM CAUSE I'M SURE THEY'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU. [Both laugh]
Leo: THEY'VE GOT NOTHING BETTER TO DO. MORE OF YOUR CALLS COMING UP. "THE LAB WITH LEO" CONTINUES RIGHT AFTER THIS. THANKS GUYS. GOOD JOB ON THE SET. [MUSIC] [Pop captions down] [Commercial break] [MUSIC]
Leo: WELCOME BACK TO "THE LAB WITH LEO". HELLO THERE. LET'S GET ANOTHER CALL ON THE AIR. I THINK KATE ABRAHAM HAS SOMETHING FOR US I THINK.
Kate: YES I DO. I HAVE --
Leo: OH CHARLES MANSON IS JOINING US TODAY ON "THE LAB". SO NICE TO SEE, NO I'M JUST KIDDING. I'M JUST KIDDING. IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT LIKE HIM NO, YES?
Kate: THIS IS MIKE.
Leo: HI MIKE.
Kate: AND MIKE'S FROM ETOBICOKE IN ONTARIO.
Leo: I'M SO SORRY MIKE. YOU PROBABLY THINK I'M JUST A JERK. WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU?
Mike: I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING I'M LOOKING AT PURCHASING A MAC IN THE FUTURE.
Leo: OKAY.
Mike: POSSIBLY. [Pop captions up]
Mike: AND I'M TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO DO THAT AND INSTALL BOOTCAMP OR AN EQUIVALENT TO THAT LIKE SO I CAN RUN VISTA.
Leo: SO YOU WANT TO RUN VISTA BUT YOU WANT TO BUY A MAC TO DO IT?
Mike: YEAH AND THE REASON IS CAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF PC SOFTWARE.
Leo: AH.
Mike: THAT I USE FOR BUSINESS.
Leo: RIGHT.
Mike: AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO REPURCHASE IT AGAIN OR --
Leo: NO I DON'T BLAME YOU. BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU'D LIKE TO, YOU'D LIKE TO USE THE MACINTOSH?
Mike: YEAH OH YEAH. [Pop captions down]
Leo: YEAH. I, I THINK THE MACINTOSH REALLY IS A REALLY GREAT OPERATING SYSTEM AND NOW THAT YOU CAN RUN WINDOWS ON IT, IT REALLY KIND OF GIVES YOU THE BEST OF I WAS GONNA SAY BOTH WORLDS. BUT IT'S MORE THAN JUST BOTH WORLDS. IT'S ALL WORLDS BECAUSE YOU CAN ALSO RUN LINUX ON IT. YOU CAN ALSO RUN IT COMES YOU KNOW IT RUNS ON TOP OF A BSD WHICH IS A UNIX SO YOU, YOU REALLY GET A VERY FLEXIBLE, CAPABLE PLATFORM.
Mike: YEAH.
Leo: IN ORDER TO RUN WINDOWS ON THE MAC THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO DO IT. THERE'S BOOTCAMP, WHICH IS A SOFTWARE THAT'S FREE FROM APPLE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO, TO DIVIDE YOUR HARD DRIVE IN TWO AND ON ONE PART OF THE HARD DRIVE YOU HAVE THE OS10 MAC OPERATING SYSTEM. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU'LL HAVE A WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM. YOU CHOOSE WHEN YOU START UP THE MACHINE WHICH YOU'RE GONNA RUN. SO IT'S WHAT WE CALL A DUAL BOOT SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S AT BOOT THAT YOU DECIDE WHAT TO DO. UM I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD WAY TO GO. THE MAC'S HARDWARE PLATFORM IS PRETTY GOOD. YOU'RE GETTING GREAT YOU KNOW PROCESSORS. YOU'RE GETTING LOTS OF MEMORY. YOU'RE GETTING A GOOD VIDEO CARD. THERE'S PRETTY MUCH NOTHING YOU CAN YOU KNOW DO ON A PC THAT YOU COULDN'T DO ON A MAC IF YOU RUN BOOTCAMP. AH THE EXPENSE OF BOOTCAMP IS YOU'VE GOT TO BUY WINDOWS.
Mike: YEAH.
Leo: AND YOU KNOW MOST PEOPLE HAVE NEVER BOUGHT WINDOWS BECAUSE IT COMES WITH THEIR COMPUTER. WELL IT DOESN'T COME WITH A MAC. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET A COPY OF WINDOWS TO GO WITH BOOTCAMP.
Mike: YEAH.
Leo: THE WAY THAT I USUALLY RUN WINDOWS IS, IS AS I'M RUNNING IT RIGHT NOW WITH A PROGRAM CALLED PARALLELS. THIS ISN'T AS FAST AS BOOTCAMP. IF YOU NEED ALL THE SPEED THAT WINDOWS CAN OFFER IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO, TO USE BOOTCAMP. [Pop captions up]
Leo: BUT THE NICE THING ABOUT PARALLELS IS YOU SEE I HAVE OS10 RUNNING HERE BUT I ALSO HAVE PARALLELS RUNNING HERE.
Mike: OKAY.
Leo: WINDOWS RUNNING HERE IN PARALLELS AND IT RUNS FULL SPEED. IT RUNS PERFECTLY WELL. UM YOU DON'T GET AERO GLASS IF YOU'RE USING VISTA. YOU DON'T GET THAT TRANSPARENCY. UM AND IT THERE MIGHT BE A SLIGHT HIT IN PERFORMANCE. [Pop captions down]
Leo: ALTHOUGH BECAUSE THESE NEW INTEL PROCESSORS SUPPORT YOU SEE HERE? HARDWARE ACCELERATION IS EITHER DISABLED OR NOT SUPPORTED BY OUR VIDEO CARD GRABBER. THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. YOU DON'T GET THIS HARDWARE ACCELERATION. BUT YOU KNOW WATCH. I'M GONNA PLAY IT AND IT'S GONNA LOOK JUST FINE. UM BECAUSE THE UM THE WINDOWS OR RATHER THE INTEL CHIP SUPPORTS UM VIRTUALIZATION IT, IT LITERALLY SWITCHES BACK AND FORTH. WHEN I CLICK THE MAC APPLICATION IT GOES IT BECOMES A MAC YOU KNOW. AND THE PROCESSOR IS DEVOTING ALL ITS RESOURCES TO THE MAC. WHEN I CLICK THE PARALLELS IT SWITCHES RIGHT OVER. SO I GET PRETTY MUCH FULL SPEED. I THINK I SHOULD CALL THAT. AH YOU GET FULL SPEED ON THIS THING AND, AND I'M RUNNING WINDOWS NICELY NOW. HERE'S AN INTERESTING THING WITH, AH WITH PARALLELS. THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW I'M IN THE WINDOWS MODE I CAN GO TO A FULL SCREEN MODE WHERE IT'S A FULL SCREEN WINDOWS. NOW AT THIS POINT IT'S INDISTINGUISHABLE. SORRY I WAS JUST CONFUSING OUR THERE WE GO. NOW IT'S INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM A WINDOWS MACHINE. IT'S RUNNING JUST AS IF THAT THERE'S ONLY WINDOWS RUNNING ON HERE. BUT I CAN ALSO GO INTO SOMETHING THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING CALLED COHERENCE MODE. THIS IS PARALLELS 3 WE'RE RUNNING RIGHT HERE, THE LATEST VERSION OF PARALLELS. COHERENCE MODE MEANS THAT WINDOWS COEXISTS WITH THE MACINTOSH. NOW THIS IS WILD. NOTICE YOU CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S SCROLLED OFF THE SCREEN. [Pop captions up]
Leo: BUT I HAVE THE WINDOWS TASKBAR DOWN HERE. I HAVE THE OS10 BAR HERE. [Pop captions down]
Leo: I HAVE THE WINDOWS WINDOW A COUPLE OF WINDOWS WINDOWS RUNNING AS WINDOWS WINDOWS AND I HAVE A MAC WINDOW THEY'RE COEXISTING APPLICATION BY APPLICATION. IN FACT I CAN EVEN PUT WINDOWS APPLICATIONS IN MY APPLE DOCK AND WATCH THEM. SO THIS --
Mike: OH THAT'S COOL.
Leo: THIS IS A, THIS IS A WAY TO REALLY GET THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. [Pop captions up]
Leo: WHERE ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE RUNNING OS10 BUT WHENEVER YOU NEED TO RUN A WINDOWS APP YOU JUST LAUNCH IT AND IT'S AS IF WINDOWS IS THERE.
Mike: THAT'S PARALLEL ONLY RIGHT? LIKE BOOTCAMP YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT? [Pop captions down]
Leo: AH NO. BOOTCAMP IS A CHOICE MAC OR WINDOWS.
Mike: YEAH.
Leo: ALTHOUGH ONE OF THE THINGS PARALLELS DOES DO IS IT, IS IT SUPPORTS THE BOOTCAMP INSTALL. SO IF YOU WANT MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY AND YOU'VE GOT A BIG ENOUGH HARD DRIVE DO BOOTCAMP. [Pop captions up]
Leo: INSTALL WINDOWS, INSTALL PARALLELS AS WELL. YOU ONLY HAVE TO INSTALL WINDOWS ONCE. IN THE BOOTCAMP PARTITION PARALLELS WILL USE THAT VERSION OF WINDOWS AND THEN YOU GET TO CHOOSE.
Mike: OKAY.
Leo: SO YOU RUN IT ANY WAY. [Pop captions down]
Leo: THERE ARE VERY FEW WINDOWS APPLICATIONS THAT DON'T RUN BEAUTIFULLY IN PARALLELS. I THINK PARALLELS IS A VERY GOOD CHOICE. WHAT ARE THE APPLICATIONS YOU NEED TO USE?
Mike: I'M DOING SORT OF A BIT OF EVERYTHING JUST LIKE WEB APPS. STUFF LIKE DREAMWEAVER.
Leo: YEAH. YEAH.
Mike: AH GRAPHIC DESIGN SOFTWARE FOR IT AND STUFF.
Leo: YOU JUST I MEAN YOU CAN GET DREAMWEAVER ON THE MAC. YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO BUY ANOTHER ONE, I UNDERSTAND.
Mike: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH, NO.
Mike: LIKE THE COPY I HAVE IS ONLY PC ONLY SO.
Leo: YEAH THOSE WILL RUN ABSOLUTELY FINE. DON'T EVEN WORRY ABOUT IT.
Mike: OKAY.
Leo: YEAH.
Mike: AND AH JUST ANOTHER PART TO MY QUESTION WAS I'M ALSO KIND OF A GAMER. I'M WONDERING IF I'M LOSING OUT ANYTHING WITH HARDWARE ON THE MAC RUNNING VISTA VERSUS HAVING A PC WITH VISTA ON IT.
Leo: THEY'RE MOVING THE FURNITURE OUT OF THE WAY. YOU DO NOT WANT TO GAME IN PARALLELS.
Mike: YEAH.
Leo: IF YOU GAME IN BOOTCAMP IT'S EXACTLY LIKE GAMING ON A PC. MACS NOWADAYS ARE ON PC HARDWARE SO GAMING IS THE SAME. NOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME CHOICE OF VIDEO CARDS BUT APPLE OFFERS VERY GOOD VIDEO CARDS. SO NO FROM, FROM A GAMING POINT OF VIEW YOU'D WANT TO RUN BOOTCAMP. THE TRUTH IS WHAT I DO IS I BOUGHT AN XBOX 360 AND I GAME ON THAT. AND I SAVE MY MAC FOR GETTING WORK DONE. HEY THANKS FOR THE CALL. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. SORRY ABOUT THE, THE CRACK THE CHARLES MANSON CRACK. IS IT TIME FOR ME TO SIT HERE?
Sean Carruthers: YES.
Leo: OKAY WATCH THIS. THIS IS VERY NICE. I'VE GOT MY PEOPLE. I'VE GOT A STAFF NOW. IT'S TIME FOR YEWELL'S JEWELS.
Ryan: HEY. [Leo laughing]
Ryan: HEY HOW COME I DON'T GET THAT SERVICE?
Leo: AND HERE HE IS RYAN -- [Laughs]
Leo: THANK YOU SEAN. [Both talking at once]
Sean Carruthers: THERE YOU GO.
Ryan: NICE THANK YOU.
Leo: RYAN WITH A, WITH A FREE FILE OF THE DAY.
Ryan: YES.
Leo: WHAT HAVE YOU GOT RYAN?
Ryan: WELL IT'S ON PARALLELS. WE'RE I, I GIVE THUMBS UP TO PARALLELS. [Both talking at once]
Leo: OH YEAH. SEE BY THE WAY WHEN WE DO WINDOWS PROGRAMS ON RYAN'S MAC WE USE PARALLELS.
Ryan: SHHH.
Leo: NOBODY MAY EVEN KNOW THAT.
Ryan: WE USE WINDOWS.
Leo: NO, YEAH BUT WE ARE USING WINDOWS.
Ryan: YEAH WE ARE, OKAY.
Leo: ON MAC HARDWARE.
Ryan: AND IT'S THIS ONE'S WINDOWS. IT'S FILE RENAMER BASIC. [Pop captions up]
Leo: OKAY.
Ryan: SO WHAT YOU DO IS YOU SEARCH OVER HERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. [Pop captions down]
Ryan: YOU CAN GO THROUGH ALL YOUR DIFFERENT AREAS AND FIND THE FILES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND ONCE YOU FIND THEM -- [Pop captions up]
Leo: YOU HAVE A FILE NAMED BLEH? [Laughs]
Ryan: YEAH IT'S CALLED BLEH. SO WHAT YOU DO IS YOU, YOU CLICK ON THE ONES THAT YOU WANT TO BE EFFECTED. [Pop captions down]
Ryan: SO YOU CAN CHOOSE YOUR LISTS.
Leo: OKAY.
Ryan: AND THEN ONCE YOU DO THAT OH SEE NOW I DOUBLECLICKED ON IT. [Both talking at once]
Ryan: YES.
Leo: YOU DOUBLECLICK IT OH LOOK AT THAT. WINDOWS MEDIA RUNNING -- [Both talking at once]
Ryan: SEE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DOUBLE --
Leo: IN FULL VISUALIZATON.
Ryan: YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DOUBLECLICK.
Leo: THAT'S COOL. I MEAN THAT'S IN PARALLELS.
Ryan: THAT IS. [Both talking at once]
Leo: THAT LOOKS GOOD EY.
Ryan: AND UM THIS REALLY IS NOT GOOD. [Both talking at once]
Leo: YEAH YOU CAN HAVE PARALLELS --
Ryan: SO YOU CANNOT SEE THIS THOUGH.
Leo: BUT THERE'S NO COMPENSATION FOR USER ERROR.
Ryan: YES, NO THERE ISN'T.
Leo: I MEAN YOU GET SOMEBODY LIKE RYAN BEHIND THE CONTROLS YOU'RE OUT OF LUCK.
Ryan: YEAH YOU'RE OUT OF LUCK.
Leo: WE CALL THAT PEBKAC.
Ryan: I KNOW.
Leo: PROBLEM EXISTS BETWEEN KEYBOARD AND COMPUTER.
Ryan: UM I DON'T I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. MY AH, MY SCAN HERE IS NOT LETTING ME ACCESS THE FILE.
Leo: OKAY.
Ryan: I NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS.
Leo: WE GET IT, OKAY.
Ryan: SO --
Leo: IT'S CALLED --
Ryan: ITS CALLED BASIC RENAMER.
Leo: RENAMER.
Ryan: SORRY. SO IT TELLS YOU DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM --
Leo: IT IS A POOR CARPENTER THAT BLAMES HIS TOOLS.
Ryan: I KNOW. I AM A POOR CARPENTER.
Leo: OKAY. [Laughs]
Ryan: I AM A POOR CARPENTER. IT LETS YOU RENAME FILES MOSTLY.
Leo: THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW.
Ryan: OKAY.
Leo: ACTUALLY I USE THIS ALL THE TIME. IT'S VERY, VERY USEFUL.
Ryan: YEAH.
Leo: AND IT'S FREE.
Ryan: IT IS ABSOLUTELY FREE.
Leo: WHERE ELSE DO WE FIND THESE THINGS?
Ryan: LABWITHLEO.COM YEWELL'S JEWELS. [Pop captions up]
Leo: 40 PLUS FREE FILES JUST FOR YOUR COMPEN, COMPEN, COMPEN, COMSUMPTION, COMSUMPTION. WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST A YEAH ROLL ME OUT OF HERE. WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST A BIT. MORE OF YOUR PHONE CALLS IN A MOMENT. [Pop captions up]
Leo: BUT BEFORE WE GO IT'S TIME FOR OUR QUIZ QUESTION OF THE DAY. [Laughs]
Leo: I LIKE THIS. YOU COULD DO THIS MORE WITH ME. [Blank for boards]
Leo: I DON'T EVEN KNOW THIS. IS IT -- [Blank for boards]
Leo: GET TO THE WEBSITE. CONT, CONTEMPLATE PONDER AND WE'LL GET YOU THE ANSWER WHEN WE COME BACK ON "THE LAB WITH LEO". STAY HERE. [MUSIC] [Pop captions down] [Commercial break] [MUSIC] [Pop captions up]
Leo: WELCOME BACK TO "THE LAB WITH LEO". BEFORE THE BREAK WE ASKED YOU WHAT SANTA ROSA USES. IT'S A NEW CHIP SET, IT'S ACTUALLY A CORE 2 DUO IN THERE. AND I THINK IT USES THE OH I WAS GONNA SAY THE WRONG THING. SO I WON'T MENTION WHAT I THOUGHT. IT USES THE SOCKET P. THAT'S WHAT IT USES. YES IT DOES. P FOR PERFECT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU MIGHT HAVE GUESSED MICROPHONES TODAY WITH PAUL GARAY WHO IS THE HOST, CREATOR AND PRODUCER OF INSIDE HOME RECORDING. THE BEST PODCAST TO LISTEN TO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF AND HIS PARTNER DEREK K. MILLER WHO IS A MUSICIAN. DID COMPOSED THE MUSIC THAT I USE ON OUR WINDOWS WEEKLY PODCAST. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE MET.
Derek Miller: YES INDEED.
Leo: I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR GREAT MUSIC.
Derek Miller: WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR USING IT.
Leo: AND WHAT'S YOUR WEBSITE CAUSE PEOPLE --
Derek Miller: WELL MY PERSONAL WEBSITE IS PENMACHINE.COM.
Leo: PENMACHINE. [Pop captions up]
Derek Miller: THAT'S MY BLOG.
Leo: THAT'S WHERE I FOUND DEREK. [Both talking at once]
Derek Miller: AND FREE FILES AND FREE MP3S AND --
Leo: YEAH LOTS OF GOOD MUSIC ON THERE.
Derek Miller: EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW.
Leo: AND FOR THE INSIDE HOME RECORDING OF COURSE IS. [Pop captions down]
Paul Garay: INSIDEHOMERECORDING.COM.
Leo: EASY TO REMEMBER. SO WHEN YOU'RE DOING RECORDING THE MOST I WOULD SAY THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF YOUR SETUP IS YOUR MICROPHONE. THAT DETERMINES A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO. GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT AS WE SAY. SO HERE'S SOME MICROPHONES FOR PODCASTERS, HOME RECORDISTS, STUDIO MUSICIANS ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO RECORD. UM WHERE SHOULD WE START HERE WITH THIS ONE?
Paul Garay: YEAH WELL THAT'S THE --
Leo: THIS LOOKS LIKE MY OLD FAVOURITE, THE SHURE SM58.
Paul Garay: IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE IT.
Leo: IT'S NOT THOUGH.
Paul Garay: AND IT'S ACTUALLY ITS NOT. IT'S MADE BY SAMSON.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Paul Garay: IT'S CALLED A Q8.
Leo: UH-HUH.
Paul Garay: AND IT'S THE VERY FIRST TYPE OF MICROPHONE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT. [Pop captions up]
Leo: IT'S KNOWN AS A DYNAMIC MICROPHONE. A VERY DURABLE MICROPHONE SO YOU CAN USE IT FOR LIVE.
Leo: OH YOU SEE PEOPLE BANGING THEM AROUND -- [Both talking at once]
Paul Garay: YOU CAN HIT YOUR FANS OVER THE HEAD WITH EM.
Leo: YEAH. YEAH.
Paul Garay: TO FEND THEM OFF, SURE AND AH --
Leo: BUT ITS GOT GOOD NOISE REDUCTION. SO FOR USING IN A LIVE ENVIRONMENT IT'S GONNA SOUND PRETTY GOOD.
Paul Garay: YEAH. THE, THE PATTERN, THE, THE PATTERN AROUND THE MICROPHONE IN WHICH IT ACTUALLY PICKS UP SOUND IS PRETTY TIGHT. [Pop captions down]
Paul Garay: AND SO IF YOU HAVE THINGS HAPPENING AROUND YOU, IF YOU'RE IN A NOISY ENVIRONMENT AND YOU WANT TO RECORD SOMETHING WHETHER IT'S YOUR VOICE OR AN INSTRUMENT.
Leo: RIGHT.
Paul Garay: IT WOULD BE A GOOD CHOICE.
Leo: THIS IS LIKE THE SM58, WHICH I USE FOR INTERVIEWS.
Paul Garay: RIGHT.
Leo: AND AS LONG AS YOU'RE TALKING LIKE THIS AND YOUR TALKING LIKE THAT YOU REALLY DON'T HEAR A LOT OF BACKGROUND NOISES.
Paul Garay: YEAH.
Leo: IT'S REALLY GOOD.
Paul Garay: YEAH. AND THAT CAN WORK AGAINST YOU THOUGH -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: BUT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THOUGH TO MAKE SURE THE GUY IS ON THE MIC.
Paul Garay: EXACTLY.
Leo: CAUSE OTHERWISE IT SOUNDS LIKE --
Paul Garay: EXACTLY. THAT, THAT COULD BE THE DOWNFALL OF IT.
Leo: RIGHT. [Pop captions up]
Paul Garay: IS THAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE RIGHT ON THAT MICROPHONE ALL THE TIME.
Leo: NOW WHEN YOU SAY IT'S A DYNAMIC MIC THAT'S AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHICH IS A CONDENSER MIC. [Pop captions down]
Paul Garay: CORRECT.
Leo: WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM?
Paul Garay: WELL THE CONDENSERS TYPICALLY HAVE A WIDER FREQUENCY RANGE. SO THEY'RE GONNA GRAB MORE COLOUR.
Leo: OKAY.
Paul Garay: AND THEY'RE GONNA GET MORE LOWS AND MORE HIGHS. [Pop captions up]
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Paul Garay: THEY'RE GONNA BE A BIT MORE DYNAMIC SO TO SPEAK SO.
Leo: THE QUIETEST PART WILL BE MORE QUIET? THE LOUDEST PARTS WILL BE LOUDER?
Paul Garay: EXACTLY.
Leo: OKAY.
Paul Garay: YEAH.
Leo: AND THEN YOU NEED POWER.
Paul Garay: THEY SOME OF THEM NEED POWER. [Pop captions down]
Paul Garay: NOW OF COURSE THIS ONE HERE IS CALLED A SNOWBALL. IT'S MADE BY BLUE MICROPHONES. IT GETS ITS POWER FUNNY ENOUGH IT'S A USB MICROPHONE.
Leo: THAT'S IMPORTANT.
Paul Garay: IT'S A CONDENSER. BUT IT'S A USB MICROPHONE. SO YOU PLUG IT INTO YOUR COMPUTER AND IT GETS THE POWER FROM IT.
Leo: A LITTLE RED LIGHT COMES ON IT'S GETTING THE POWER.
Paul Garay: EXACTLY.
Leo: THAT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT MOST MICROPHONES HAVE THESE PROFESSIONAL CONNECTERS.
Paul Garay: YEAH. [Both talking at once]
Leo: THESE THREE-PLUG CONNECTERS.
Paul Garay: YEAH AND THAT'S THE CABLE. DEREK'S GOT THE PLUG -- [Both talking at once]
Leo: YOU'LL NEED A, YOU'LL NEED A SPECIAL CABLE AND YOU MIGHT NOTICE THIS THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT THIS ON YOUR COMPUTER. SO YOU'LL NEED AN INTERFACE IN ORDER TO GET THIS IN THE COMPUTER. THE SNOWBALL YOU JUST NEED A USB CONNECTER.
Paul Garay: YEAH EXACTLY.
Leo: AND THAT'S A REAL ADVANTAGE FOR PODCASTERS.
Paul Garay: YEAH.
Leo: THIS IS ALSO CHEAP.
Paul Garay: $99, THE PRICE JUST DROPPED ON IT RECENTLY.
Leo: YEAH. WE'VE TRIED THEM A LITTLE BIT ON MY PODCAST. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY CLICK EASILY AND YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT GETTING TOO LOUD.
Paul Garay: YEAH. YOU'LL NEVER SEE A COOLER LOOKING MICROPHONE THOUGH.
Leo: NO I LOVE HOW IT LOOKS.
Paul Garay: I THINK JUST HAVING ONE FOR LOOKS THAT AND THE LEVEL.
Leo: THIS IS ANOTHER USB MIC. TELL ME ABOUT THIS ONE.
Paul Garay: THAT IS. THAT'S A USB DYNAMIC MIC. IT'S CALLED THE QIU.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Paul Garay: AND YOU CAN SEE BY THE STICKER ON THERE IT'S IDEAL FOR PODCASTING.
Leo: OH IT SAYS THAT HUH? WELL THAT MUST BE TRUE THEN. [Pop captions up]
Paul Garay: IT MUST BE. BUT AGAIN IT'S A DYNAMIC MIC SO IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SOUND AS OPPOSED TO A CONDENSER MIC.
Leo: RIGHT. SAMSON'S MADE A NUMBER OF MICS FOR US, USB CONNECTERS. THEY WERE THE FIRST, THE CO1 WAS THE FIRST ONE I SAW. [Both talking at once]
Paul Garay: THE CO1.
Leo: YEAH, YEAH.
Paul Garay: AND THE CO3 IS THE ONE THE, THE CONDENSER MIC WITH THE SWITCHABLE PULLER PATTERNS. [Pop captions down]
Leo: ONE DISADVANTAGE OF USB MICROPHONES IS IF YOU'RE GONNA LISTEN, IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO YOURSELF THERE'S A DELAY ISN'T THERE? THERE'S A SLIGHT DELAY.
Paul Garay: YEAH THERE'S WHAT THEY CALL A LATENCY. SO IT'S THE TIME THAT YOUR SIGNAL ENTERS THE MICROPHONE GOES INTO THE COMPUTER --
Leo: RIGHT.
Paul Garay: AND IS SENT BACK OUT OF THE COMPUTER INTO YOUR MONITORING. WHETHER IT'S YOUR SPEAKERS OR YOUR HEADPHONES.
Leo: YEAH IT CAN BE A LITTLE DISCONCERTING.
Paul Garay: YEAH YOU REMEMBER LIKE AH PLACING A LONG DISTANCE CALL TO EUROPE 20 YEARS AGO?
Leo: YEAH.
Paul Garay: TALKING TO SOMEBODY THERE WAS LIKE --
Leo: YEAH.
Paul Garay: THE OTHER DISADVANTAGE TO USB MICROPHONES AND THE REASON THAT I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF USING THEM MYSELF.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Paul Garay: IS THAT THERE'S NO WAY TO PROCESS THE SIGNAL ON THE WAY IN. SO IF YOU WANT TO COLOUR THE SIGNAL OR YOU WANT TO ATTENUATE IT A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME DYNAMIC PROCESSING --
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Paul Garay: LIKE A COMPRESSER.
Leo: MMM-HMM.
Paul Garay: THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO DO THAT.
Leo: YOU CAN'T.
Paul Garay: YEAH.
Leo: WHAT IS THIS? THIS IS PRETTY. I LIKE THIS. THIS IS A PRETTY MICROPHONE.
Paul Garay: THAT IS COOL YEAH. THAT IS --
Leo: THAT'S FROM M-AUDIO?
Paul Garay: IT'S YEAH IT'S CALLED THE LUNA. [Pop captions up]
Paul Garay: AND IT IS A, IS A NEWER CONDENSER MICROPHONE. IT, IT, IT PICKS UP BASICALLY THE WHOLE HEARING, HUMAN HEARING RANGE.
Leo: WOW.
Paul Garay: SO 20 TO 20. IT'S QUITE FLAT AND UM --
Leo: SO THIS IS GOOD FOR RECORDING MUSIC THEN?
Paul Garay: ANYTHING, GUITARS.
Leo: YEAH.
Paul Garay: AH VOICE.
Leo: VOICE YOU DON'T NEED QUITE THE RANGE AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD WITH, WITH MUSIC.
Paul Garay: YEAH IF YOU'RE DOING VOCALS, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE RECORDING MUSIC MUSIC.
Leo: YEAH.
Paul Garay: A SINGER'S VOICE THIS WOULD DEFINITELY BE A BETTER MICROPHONE THEN MAYBE A DYNAMIC. [Pop captions down]
Leo: OKAY.
Paul Garay: BUT YOU KNOW CONDENSERS AREN'T AS DURABLE. I LIKE TO SAY YOU KNOW --
Leo: THIS YOU CAN BANG AROUND NOT THAT.
Paul Garay: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
Paul Garay: YOU KNOW IF YOU EVER WANT TO, IF YOU EVER WANT TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DYNAMIC AND A CONDENSER MIC - -
Leo: YEAH.
Paul Garay: JUST DROP EM.
Leo: SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ALONG HERE OVER TO THESE TWO. THESE ARE DEVICES THAT ALLOW YOU TO HOOK UP STANDARD MICS. YOU'VE GOT TO DO THIS QUICKLY. WE ONLY HAVE A FEW SECONDS LEFT. YOU, IF YOU HAVE A STANDARD MIC YOU CAN USE SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEHRINGER TO CONNECT A STANDARD MIC INTO A USB PORT. IT'LL DO THE CONVERSION FOR YOU.
Derek Miller: THAT WOULD PLUG IN THERE.
Leo: THAT'S EVEN A LITTLE MIXER WHICH CAN BE NICE. [Both talking at once]
Paul Garay: YEAH.
Derek Miller: AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE THE OUTPUT MIXER AND PUT IT INTO THE INPUT IN YOUR COMPUTER.
Leo: THAT'S VERY COOL.
Derek Miller: ALTERNATIVELY YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHICH IS AN ACTUAL AUDIO INTERFACE. IT'S A USB. YOU PLUG THE MICROPHONE IN HERE AND IT GOES DIGITAL INTO THE BOX.
Leo: HOW MUCH IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
Derek Miller: HOW MUCH IS THAT?
Paul Garay: THAT'S ABOUT $300.
Leo: OKAY.
Paul Garay: BUT AT SOME POINT AN ANALOG SIGNAL NEEDS TO BE TURNED INTO A DIGITAL SIGNAL.
Leo: WE ARE OUT OF TIME. BUT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE GO TO LABWITHLEO.COM. [Pop captions up]
Leo: AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT INSIDE HOME RECORDING, INSIDEHOMERECORDING.COM. DEREK MILLER, PAUL GARAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. [Both talking at once]
Paul Garay: NO PROBLEM. THANKS FOR HAVING US.
Derek Miller: THANKS.
Leo: FINAL WORDS RIGHT AFTER THIS. STAY HERE. [Pop captions down] [MUSIC] [Commercial break] [MUSIC]
Leo: WE ARE OUT OF TIME. BUT I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. [Pop captions up]
Leo: IF YOU WANT TO BE ON THE SHOW AND YOU'D LIKE TO TALK TO KATE IN THAT ORDER GO TO THE LABWITHLEO.COM AND FILL OUT THE FORM. KATE WILL CALL YOU. WE'LL GET YOU ON THE SHOW. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. TELL YOUR FRIENDS. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME ON "THE LAB WITH LEO". TAKE CARE, BYE-BYE. LOOK AT -- GRRRR. GRRR. AND I THINK IT'S TIME FOR LUNCH AS A MATTER OF FACT. [Pop captions down] [MUSIC]
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