(Quiet synthesizer music) [Pop captions up]
Rick: HELLO. I'M RICK YAEGER FROM macmerc.com, AND TODAY I'M GONNA SHOW YOU AN INEXPENSIVE AND SIMPLE WAY TO BACK UP YOUR MAC TODAY ON THE LAB. [Pop captions down] (Theme music playing) (Sound of dial-up modem) [MUSIC] [Pop captions up]
Leo: AND WELCOME TO THE LAB WITH LEO. I LOVE THIS. OH, I'LL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THIS IN A SECOND. I'M LEO LAPORTE, AND THIS IS THE SHOW WHERE WE ANSWER ALL YOUR TECHNOLOGY QUESTIONS. WE HELP YOU WITH YOUR COMPUTERS, THE INTERNET, YOUR CELLPHONES, YOUR CAMCORDERS. LOOK AT THIS. THIS IS VERY FANCY.
Kate: EUROPEAN ART.
Leo: YEAH.
Kate: (Laughing)
Leo: I LIKE THIS.
Kate: YOU'D PAY A LOT OF MONEY IN LONDON FOR THAT.
Leo: A LOT OF MONEY! [Pop captions down]
Kate: (Laughing)
Leo: "STAPLER WITH CLIPBOARD."
Kate: MM-HMM.
Leo: "STILL LIFE: STAPLER WITH CLIPBOARD." THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KATE ABRAHAM. THIS IS THE SHOW. IT'S ALL HERE IN THIS --
Kate: YES.
Leo: IN THIS LITTLE RED CLIPBOARD. FOR INSTANCE, I KNOW FROM THIS IT'S EPISODE 37 AND THAT RICK YAEGER -- YOU JUST SAW HIM -- WILL BE HERE, SHOWING YOU HOW TO BACK UP YOUR MAC, AND THAT JIM RUTHERFORD IS GONNA SHOW YOU HOW TO CLONE YOUR KID. WELL, THEY'RE OVER THERE RIGHT NOW, PLAYING VIDEO GAMES. THAT'S SO CUTE.
Kate: (Chuckling)
Leo: JIM AND OWEN, HIS FOUR-YEAR-OLD. HE'S GOT A FOUR-YEAR-OLD WHO PLAYS VIDEO GAMES BETTER THAN YOU AND I DO.
Kate: IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE EMBARRASSING.
Leo: (Laughing)
Kate: IF I WAS TO PLAY LEGOMAN, I WOULDN'T BE SURVIVING, OKAY? (Both laughing)
Leo: I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS. RICK YAEGER BROUGHT THIS IN. THIS IS FROM OUR FRIEND, SNAGGY, WHO DOES ILLUSTRATIONS. SEE, IT'S BILL GATES. HE SAYS, "I'M RICH!" NOW WATCH. YOU SHAKE IT. (Sound of globe shaking)
Leo: AND ALL THE MONEY IS FLOATING AROUND.
Kate: (Chuckling)
Leo: LOOK AT THAT. BILL'S RICH! "I'M RICH! I'M IN A SNOW GLOBE OF MONEY!" THAT'S BETTER THAN A SNOW GLOBE. THAT'S A MONEY GLOBE.
Kate: OH, THAT'S GREAT.
Leo: THAT'S A MONEY GLOBE.
Kate: IF THAT WAS REAL MONEY, THAT WOULD BE EVEN BETTER. (Chuckles)
Leo: I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'D WANT TO BREAK IT OPEN AND GET IT OUT. ISN'T THAT FUN?
Kate: THAT'S GREAT.
Leo: I LOVE THAT. SNAGGY AND NITROZAC DO, OF COURSE, THE GREAT "JOY OF TECH" COMIC, IN WHICH THEY DO OFTEN PARODIES OF BILL GATES AND OTHERS. LET'S GET OUR FIRST CALLER OF THE DAY ON HERE.
Kate: OKAY, WE HAVE 13-YEAR-OLD SACHIT, AND HE IS FROM MISSISSAUGA IN ONTARIO.
Leo: SACHIT, HOW ARE YOU?
Sachit: HI, HOW ARE YOU? [Pop captions up]
Leo: I'M GREAT! WELCOME TO THE SHOW!
Sachit: THANK YOU. THANKS FOR ANSWERING MY CALL.
Leo: WELL -- (Scoffs) THIS IS YOUR SHOW, MAN! THIS IS FOR YOU! WE'RE HERE TO DO IT! SO WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP YOU? [Pop captions down]
Sachit: YEAH, OKAY, IN SEPTEMBER, I'LL BE GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL, AND --
Leo: CONGRATULATIONS.
Sachit: I ENROLLED IN THE I.B.T. PROGRAM.
Leo: I.B.T., WHAT'S THAT STAND FOR?
Sachit: INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY.
Leo: OH, YOU MUST BE VERY SMART.
Sachit: (Chuckling) THANK YOU.
Leo: DID YOU HAVE TO TEST TO GET INTO THAT?
Sachit: YEAH, WE HAD TO DO A TEST AND AN INTERVIEW.
Leo: YOU'RE VERY SMART. WELL, CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING INTO THAT!
Sachit: AND THEN WHEN I GOT ENROLLED, I ALSO ENROLLED FOR THE LAPTOP PROGRAM.
Leo: OH!
Sachit: SO ALL MY CLASSES ARE ON LAPTOPS THIS TIME.
Leo: WOW! WOW, WHAT A WORLD WE LIVE IN. THAT'S VERY COOL.
Sachit: YEAH. YEAH, SO BASICALLY THE BIG PROBLEM IS WHETHER I SHOULD GET A WINDOWS PC OR A MAC.
Leo: AND WHO WANTS YOU TO GET A WINDOWS PC?
Sachit: I WANT TO GET A MAC. MY DAD WANTS TO GET A WINDOWS.
Leo: (Chuckling) YOU WANT THE MAC. HE WANTS WINDOWS. NOW, YOU KNOW I LOVE THE MAC.
Sachit: YEAH.
Leo: BUT IN THIS CASE, DAD MIGHT BE RIGHT. YOU SAID YOU'RE STUDYING INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY?
Sachit: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH, A LOT OF THE SOFTWARE, IN FACT, PROBABLY ALL THE SOFTWARE YOU USE, WILL BE WINDOWS SOFTWARE, AND YOU'LL BE DOING A LOT OF WINDOWS STUFF. [Pop captions up]
Leo: HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE PEOPLE AT THE SCHOOL? WHAT DO THEY RECOMMEND?
Sachit: THEY RECOMMEND WINDOWS.
Leo: YEAH. NOW, IF YOU'RE REALLY SET ON THE MAC AND YOU'RE WILLING TO SPEND A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY OR MAYBE A LITTLE EXTRA OF DAD'S MONEY, YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN RUN WINDOWS ON A MAC. [Pop captions down]
Sachit: YEAH.
Leo: AND YOU CAN RUN IT EXACTLY AS IF IT WERE WINDOWS. YOU CAN DO IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. ONE IS A DUAL BOOT SO THAT YOU USE THIS FREE PROGRAM THAT APPLE GIVES YOU CALLED "BOOT CAMP," AND YOU PUT WINDOWS ON THE MAC. NOW, YOU HAVE TO BUY A COPY OF WINDOWS. THAT'S WHY IT'S A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY, UNLESS YOU'VE GOT EXTRA ONES LYING AROUND. BUT YOU INSTALL WINDOWS ON THERE, AND THEN IT'S A WINDOWS MACHINE ONE DAY AND A MAC THE OTHER DAY, JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU CHOOSE WHEN YOU START IT UP. YOU CAN ALSO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. WE'RE RUNNING -- THIS LOOKS LIKE A WINDOWS MACHINE, DOESN'T IT? WE GOT -- IN FACT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE RUNNING WINDOWS VISTA, BUT IN FACT, WE'RE NOT RUNNING WINDOWS VISTA -- WELL, WE ARE, BUT WE'RE RUNNING IT ON... A MACINTOSH. SO HERE'S THE VISTA, AND HERE'S THE MACINTOSH, RIGHT? AND IT'S RUNNING AT THE SAME TIME. NOW, THE ADVANTAGE OF DOING THAT IS YOU GET THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA BE STUDYING AT I.B.T.?
Sachit: BASICALLY WE'RE GONNA BE FOCUSSING ON BUSINESS.
Leo: YEAH, SEE, BUSINESS -- WINDOWS IS REALLY A BUSINESS PLATFORM. IN FACT, I USUALLY SAY THE RULE OF THUMB IS WINDOWS FOR OFFICE AND BUSINESS, MAC FOR THE HOME, AND THE ONE EXCEPTION THERE MIGHT BE GAMING, WHERE WINDOWS DOES HAVE A BIG ADVANTAGE. BUT THERE ARE ADVANTAGES TO HAVING A MAC. FIRST OF ALL, YOU GET A MAC, YOU CAN DO BOTH. YOU'LL LEARN OS X, WHICH IS ALSO A USEFUL APPLICATION, OPERATING SYSTEM, I SHOULD SAY. AND FURTHERMORE, YOU ALSO WILL HAVE THE ACCESSIBILITY TO UNIX. NOW, YOU KNOW, SURE, BUSINESS IS USING WINDOWS, BUT IN THE BACK OFFICE, THEY'RE USING LINUX AS THEIR SERVERS. THEY'RE USING LINUX FOR A LOT OF THINGS OR UNIX OF SOME SORT FOR A LOT OF THINGS. SO ARE YOU INTERESTED IN PROGRAMMING AND SOFTWARE AND COMPUTERS, OR ARE YOU INTERESTED MORE IN BUSINESS?
Sachit: I'M A BIT MORE INTERESTED IN PROGRAMMING.
Leo: AH, THAT'S WHY YOU WANT THE MAC.
Sachit: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH, BECAUSE THE MAC IS A GREAT PROGRAMMING ENVIRONMENT. ON THE MAC, YOU CAN PROGRAM WINDOWS, YOU CAN PROGRAM OS X, YOU CAN LEARN UNIX. I MEAN IT REALLY GIVES YOU EVERYTHING, AND YOU GET PEARL, RUBY, PYTHON. I MEAN YOU GET EVERYTHING YOU'D WANT ON THIS SINGLE SYSTEM, INCLUDING A COMPLETELY FREE AND VERY POWERFUL DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT. (Stammering) HERE'S YOUR -- OKAY, OKAY, HERE'S HOW WE GET DAD TO GO FOR IT.
Sachit: (Chuckling)
Leo: IT'S GONNA COST HIM A LITTLE BIT MORE, NOT A LOT MORE, BUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. HAS HE GIVEN YOU A BUDGET?
Sachit: A BUDGET? I THINK, YEAH, IT'S ABOUT $1,000 --
Leo: OKAY. (Unclear)
Leo: AND YOU'RE GONNA GET A LAPTOP, RIGHT?
Sachit: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH, THE NEW MACBOOK'S 1,099 BUCKS, SO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND A COPY OF WINDOWS SOMEWHERE, BUT HERE'S THE PITCH TO DAD: "DAD, I WILL, OF COURSE, BE USING WINDOWS MOST OF THE TIME, AND I'LL KNOW WINDOWS, BUT I WILL ALSO BE LEARNING OS X, AND I'LL BE LEARNING UNIX, BECAUSE OS X IS BUILT ON UNIX. IT'S BUILT ON BSD. AND SO I'M GONNA HAVE THE ABILITY TO RUN ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT KINDS OF SOFTWARE, AND THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY VALUABLE TO ME." THE OTHER THING IS, AND THIS IS ANOTHER SELLING POINT FOR PARENTS -- TRUST ME; I AM ONE. THE ONE NEGATIVE ABOUT RUNNING PARALLELS, WHICH IS WHAT I'M RUNNING HERE, IS THAT IT DOESN'T PLAY GAMES VERY WELL. (Laughing) "SO, DAD, YOU KNOW, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT BUYING THE MAC, THOUGH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SO GREAT FOR 'CALL OF DUTY' OR 'BATTLEFIELD' OR 'HALO 3.'"
Sachit: YEAH.
Leo: AND HIS EYES WILL LIGHT UP, AND HE'LL GO, "YOU SAY YOU CAN'T PLAY GAMES ON IT? "WELL, NO, IT'S NOT AS GOOD. YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA HAVE TO SACRIFICE THAT A LITTLE BIT." AND HE'LL SAY, "WELL, SON, IT'S A BIG SACRIFICE, BUT I THINK WE'LL DO IT!"
Sachit: (Chuckles)
Leo: SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF ARGUMENTS. I THINK REALLY WHAT YOU GET WITH A MAC IS YOU GET A WINDOWS PC, AND YOU GET A MAC PC. WHAT YOU GET WITH A PC IS YOU GET A WINDOWS PC. SO FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU GET MORE FLEXIBILITY, BUT YOU DO GET TO RUN WINDOWS, AND WHEN YOU RUN IT IN BOOT CAMP, IT'S EXACTLY LIKE A WINDOWS MACHINE. THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE. BUT THE ADVANTAGE IS WHEN YOU RUN IT IN PARALLELS, IT'S ALSO A LITTLE BIT MORE SECURE. OH, HERE'S ANOTHER ADVANTAGE! [Pop captions up]
Leo: YOU CAN NOT ONLY RUN VISTA, BUT I CAN ALSO RUN AT THE SAME TIME XP, SO THERE WILL BE BUSINESS SOFTWARE THAT WON'T RUN UNDER VISTA THAT WILL RUN UNDER XP, AND YOU CAN DO BOTH IN PARALLELS AT THE SAME TIME. [Pop captions down]
Leo: SEE, SO THERE'S ANOTHER -- THAT'S A REAL ADVANTAGE, DON'T YOU THINK?
Sachit: YEAH.
Leo: THE ABILITY TO RUN -- AND, SEE, I'M GONNA CHOOSE -- WATCH. OOPS, LET'S OPEN -- I'M GONNA SHOW YOU I HAVE HERE VISTA RUNNING, BUT I CAN ALSO OPEN WINDOWS XP AND RUN IT AT THE SAME DARN TIME. I MEAN HOW COOL IS THAT? I MEAN THAT IS REALLY COOL. NOW I'VE GOT XP, VISTA, OS X AND BSD UNIX ALL RUNNING AT THE SAME TIME. WOW!
Sachit: (Chuckling)
Leo: WHAT OTHER COMPUTER CAN DO THAT, I ASK YOU?
Sachit: YEAH. AND ALSO WE CAN USE LINUX ON IT, SO...
Leo: YEAH, YOUR THIRD WINDOW HERE IN PARALLELS COULD BE LINUX, ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY NEED LINUX BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE BSD. BUT, YEAH, IF YOU WANTED TO RUN LINUX, SO --
Sachit: YEAH, LINUX IS REALLY NICE.
Leo: I LOVE HAVING THE LINUX CAPABILITY. SO LOOK AT THAT! I MEAN I'VE GOT -- HERE I'VE GOT THE BASH SHELL. I'VE GOT UNIX RUNNING. I'VE GOT WINDOWS XP. I'VE GOT WINDOWS -- HERE'S WINDOWS XP. HERE'S WINDOWS -- I MEAN IT'S ALL RUNNING AT THE SAME TIME! TALK ABOUT SUPER COOL! SO THERE'S MY SUGGESTION FOR TALKING DAD INTO IT.
Sachit: OKAY, THANK YOU.
Leo: MAYBE IF YOU THROW IN A LITTLE MONEY OF YOUR OWN, IT'LL HELP.
Sachit: WITH A MAC, IT COULD DO LIKE PROGRAMMING STUFF, ALL OF IT, RIGHT?
Leo: YEAH!
Sachit: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH, I MEAN MAC IS A GREAT PROGRAMMING ENVIRONMENT.
Sachit: I BET IT COULD DO ONE GAME OF MINE.
Leo: YEAH, YOU KNOW, WHO CARES ABOUT GAMES? YOU GOTTA HAVE A LOT OF STUDYING TO DO, OKAY, SACHIT? HEY, THANK YOU FOR THE CALL. I APPRECIATE IT.
Sachit: THANK YOU.
Leo: HAVE A GREAT DAY, WILL YA?
Sachit: YOU TOO.
Leo: ALL RIGHT. COMING UP IN JUST A LITTLE BIT, RICK YAEGER IS HERE. [Pop captions up]
Leo: HE'S GONNA SHOW YOU A GREAT WAY -- THIS WILL BE GOOD FOR YOU, SACHIT -- TO BACK UP YOUR MAC INEXPENSIVELY. ALSO AHEAD, JIM RUTHERFORD'S GONNA SHOW US HOW TO CLONE OUR KIDS... WELL, USING SOFTWARE, ALL AHEAD AS THE LAB \AIITH LEO CONTINUES. (Lively techno music) [Pop captions down] COMMERCIAL (Theme music playing)
Leo: GO DOWN THE HALL, OWEN, GO DOWN. OH, OH, CLIMB. OKAY, DON'T LISTEN TO ME. (Laughing) OWEN'S DOING A LOT BETTER THAN I AM! CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT LIFE'S GONNA BE LIKE FOR FOUR-YEAR-OLDS WHO START COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE AND INTIMATE WITH TECHNOLOGY NOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE WHEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, OUR AGE? WELCOME BACK TO THE LAB. I'M LEO LAPORTE. RICK YAEGER IS HERE FROM macmerc.com, WHICH IS A GREAT MACINTOSH SITE. HE'S A GRAPHICS ARTIST EXPERT AND A MACINTOSH EXPERT. HEY, RICK, HOW YA DOIN'?
Rick: PRETTY OKAY.
Leo: THANKS FOR BRINGING ALONG THIS GREAT ILLUSTRATION FROM --
Rick: IT'S HYPNOTIC. IT'S AWESOME.
Leo: I LOVE IT. ISN'T THAT FUN?
Rick: SWEET!
Leo: WOW, SWEET!
Rick: YEAH.
Leo: SO TODAY YOU'RE GONNA SHOW US HOW TO BACK UP MY MAC?
Rick: YEAH, I'M --
Leo: CHEAP! [Pop captions up]
Rick: I'M HERE AS A FAILED HARD DRIVE SURVIVOR.
Leo: (Laughing)
Rick: AS I'M SURE A FEW PEOPLE IN HERE ARE.
Leo: AND YOU DID SURVIVE IT.
Rick: I DID SURVIVE IT IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT I USED .MAC BACKUP. [Pop captions down]
Rick: I'M NOT A BIG FAN.
Leo: I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET IT TO WORK!
Rick: IT'S DIFFICULT TO WORK. IT'S INTIMIDATING FOR THE EVERYDAY USER. [Pop captions up]
Leo: IF YOU SUBSCRIBE TO .MAC, WHICH IS ABOUT 100 BUCKS A YEAR, YOU GET A GIGABYTE -- THAT'S ALL -- AND SOME SOFTWARE, FREE SOFTWARE, THAT'LL ALLOW YOU TO BACK UP, BUT IT'S UNRELIABLE, IT'S BUGGY, AND IT'S ONLY A GIGABYTE!
Rick: AND IT'S ONLY A GIGABYTE, AND IT ALSO BACKS UP IN THIS -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT -- THE GLOB METHOD.
Leo: YEAH, I DON'T LIKE GLOBS BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THAT GLOB. [Pop captions down]
Rick: I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THAT GLOB, AND IF I BREAK THE GLOB, I'VE BROKEN EVERYTHING.
Leo: RIGHT, RIGHT, I AGREE WITH YOU, YEAH.
Rick: AND --
Leo: SO YOU'VE FOUND A BETTER WAY.
Rick: I'VE FOUND A FEW BETTER WAYS, BUT THIS IS THE LEAST EXPENSIVE BETTER WAY.
Leo: OKAY.
Rick: IT'S CALLED SUPERDUPER.
Leo: LOVE SUPERDUPER!
Rick: SUPERDUPER.
Leo: LOVE IT!
Rick: AND IT'S ONLY $27.95.
Leo: WELL, YOU CAN USE IT FOR FREE. I MEAN A LOT OF THE BASIC FUNCTIONALITY'S THERE FOR FREE, YEAH.
Rick: RIGHT. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SCHEDULE --
Leo: RIGHT.
Rick: WHICH IS A BIG PLUS --
Leo: I THINK YOU SHOULD SCHEDULE, YEAH.
Rick: WELL, IT'S NOT A BACKUP ROUTINE UNLESS YOU DO IT --
Leo: ROUTINELY.
Rick: ROUTINELY.
Leo: RIGHT.
Rick: SO!
Leo: BUT IF YOU ARE GOOD ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN REMEMBER EVERY SUNDAY TO BACK UP --
Rick: RIGHT.
Leo: WE DO THAT ON THE RADIO SHOW. I SAY, "OKAY, BACKUP DAY! START YOUR BACKUPS!" SO JUST LISTEN TO MY RADIO SHOW, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY 27 BUCKS FOR SUPERDUPER. (Laughing)
Rick: SEE, I'M A BACKUP FANATIC.
Leo: YEAH. WEEKLY'S NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU?
Rick: DAILY.
Leo: DAILY, YEAH.
Rick: I HAVE TO SLEEP SOMETIME ANYWAY.
Leo: AND THIS MAKES IT EASY!
Rick: RIGHT. I PUT MY COMPUTER ON A TABLE WITH THIS NICE LITTLE DRIVE NEXT TO IT. SUPERDUPER WAKES UP AND BACKS UP MY ENTIRE HARD DRIVE TO IT.
Leo: NOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE AN EXTERNAL DRIVE, BUT THIS IS A NICE WAY TO DO IT.
Rick: IT'S BETTER IF YOU DO USE AN EXTERNAL DRIVE BECAUSE IF, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO ME, YOUR DRIVE FAILS --
Leo: MM-HMM.
Rick: YOU'VE LOST YOUR BACKUP, TOO.
Leo: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
Rick: SO, AS AN EXTERNAL DRIVE, THE WAY SUPERDUPER BACKS UP TO IT, IT'S BOOTABLE.
Leo: OKAY.
Rick: AND WHAT HAPPENED TO ME WAS MY POWERBOOK DIED.
Leo: RIGHT.
Rick: I HAD MY BACKUP IN .MAC BACKUP.
Leo: RIGHT.
Rick: AND WHILE IT WAS IN THE SHOP BEING FIXED, I HAD NOTHING.
Leo: RIGHT.
Rick: I HAD NOTHING.
Leo: RIGHT.
Rick: AND ONCE IT GOT BACK, IT WAS A PAIN IN THE BUTT --
Leo: RIGHT.
Rick: TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT OF THE GLOB.
Leo: SO HOW WOULD'VE IT BEEN DIFFERENT IF YOU'D USED SUPERDUPER AND AN EXTERNAL DRIVE?
Rick: FUNNY YOU SHOULD ASK.
Leo: HA HA HA!
Rick: BECAUSE TWO WEEKS LATER, THAT DRIVE, THAT NEW DRIVE, FAILED --
Leo: YOU'RE KIDDING.
Rick: AND I HAD PURCHASED --
Leo: YOU HAD LEARNED YOUR LESSON.
Rick: I'D LEARNED MY LESSON.
Leo: YEAH.
Rick: AND I HAD A BOOTABLE BACKUP.
Leo: OH, THAT'S COOL.
Rick: SO I TOOK MY OLD iBOOK --
Leo: AND YOU JUST BOOTED IT UP!
Rick: AND I BOOTED IT UP.
Leo: AND EVERYTHING'S THERE!
Rick: EVERYTHING'S THE SAME. THE DESKTOP PICTURE'S THE SAME. ALL MY FILES ARE JUST AS I LEFT THEM.
Leo: WHERE DO WE GET SUPERDUPER?
Rick: SUPERDUPER YOU GET FROM SHIRT POCKET SOFTWARE.
Leo: shirt-pocket.com.
Rick: CORRECT.
Leo: VERY GOOD PROGRAM! [Pop captions up]
Leo: I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT!
Rick: AND IT'S -- THE THING I LIKE ABOUT IT IS IT'S VERY, VERY SIMPLE. YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE IT IF YOU WANT TO, BUT IT'S VERY NO-FRILLS, VERY USER-FRIENDLY. [Pop captions down]
Leo: WELL, YOU STARTED OFF WITH THE BEST ONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN COME UP WITH THE NEXT ONE. SOMETHING EVEN BETTER?
Rick: I DON'T KNOW.
Leo: (Laughing) LEAD WITH YOUR WEAKEST AND GO TO YOUR BEST. WHAT IS THIS?
Rick: RIGHT. OKAY, WELL, THE WAY SUPERDUPER WORKS IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN HERE, THE TOP OF THE WINDOW, IT'S A SIMPLE SENTENCE, AND YOU COMPLETE THE SENTENCE. "I WANT TO BACK UP MY MERCBOOK PRO..."
Leo: RIGHT.
Rick: "AND I WANT TO BACK IT UP TO MY EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE." HOW? "I WANT TO BACK UP ALL MY FILES."
Leo: OH, EXCELLENT.
Rick: HOW MUCH MORE SIMPLE COULD IT BE? WELL, IT COULD BE MORE COMPLICATED IF YOU WANT.
Leo: (Laughing)
Rick: YOU CAN --
Leo: CLICK OPTIONS AND YOU GET MORE.
Rick: AND YOU CAN REPAIR PERMISSIONS. YOU CAN USE WHAT THEY CALL "SMART UPDATE," WHICH... IS VERY SMART.
Leo: WELL, HOW IS IT SMART?
Rick: HOW IS IT SMART? IT DOESN'T BACK UP THE WHOLE DRIVE EACH NIGHT, IN MY CASE. IT LOOKS AT WHAT'S CHANGED, WHAT'S BEEN ADDED, WHAT'S BEEN DELETED AND ONLY MODIFIES THOSE FILES. SO IT DOESN'T TAKE AS LONG.
Leo: NOW, THE OTHER THING THAT'S KEY IS THIS MAKES NOT JUST A COPY OF ALL THE FILES, BUT IT MAKES A BOOTABLE COPY, SO IT'S MAKING AN IMAGE OF YOUR WHOLE DISK.
Rick: RIGHT.
Leo: AND THAT'S KIND OF NEAT, YEAH. CAN YOU DO INDIVIDUAL FILES AS WELL?
Rick: YOU CAN IF YOU WANT TO --
Leo: YOU JUST PREFER TO DO STANDARD BACKUPS.
Rick: IF YOU WANT TO WRITE A SCRIPT, YOU CAN DO THAT. I ASKED ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS AT SHIRT POCKET -- HIS NAME IS DAVE NANIAN -- AND HE SAID THEIR FOCUS WAS TO MAKE IT AS ACCESSIBLE FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE.
Leo: RIGHT, RIGHT.
Rick: AND THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HACK AND -- I USED TO HAVE A THUMB DRIVE THAT I WOULD PLUG INTO MY COMPUTER, AND THE BACKUP SOFTWARE WOULD RECOGNIZE IT RIGHT AWAY AND COPY THINGS TO THE THUMB DRIVE AND DISMOUNT IT.
Leo: YOU COULD DO THAT WITH SUPERDUPER.
Rick: YOU COULD, BUT IT'S NOT INSTANTLY APPARENT HOW TO DO IT.
Leo: OKAY, COOL.
Rick: THE BEST THING, SCHEDULING, IS LIKE THEY SAY --
Leo: AUTOMATIC, EVERY NIGHT.
Rick: IT'S NOT A BACKUP ROUTINE UNLESS YOU --
Leo: HOW OFTEN DOES RICK DO IT? AT 9:30 EVERY SINGLE NIGHT, EXCEPT FOR THE WEEKENDS.
Rick: EXCEPT FOR THE WEEKENDS.
Leo: YOU TAKE THE WEEKENDS OFF.
Rick: YEAH.
Leo: BECAUSE YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING.
Rick: BECAUSE I'M PARTYING WITH MY COMPUTER --
Leo: YOU'RE DONE. NOTHIN' NEW. YOU DON'T WANT TO BACK UP. YOU'RE UP ALL NIGHT. SUPERDUPER, IT'S FREE FOR USE WITHOUT SCHEDULER OR $27.95 IF YOU WANT TO USE A SCHEDULE AT shirt-pocket.com.
Rick: VERY COOL.
Leo: SO YOU ONLY HAD ONE. I THOUGHT YOU HAD TWO, FOR SOME REASON.
Rick: OH, NO.
Leo: THERE'S ONLY ONE? GOOD, BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE. YOU ONLY NEED ONE. SUPERDUPER'S ALL YOU NEED.
Rick: IT IS.
Leo: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, RICK.
Rick: I LIKE IT. [Pop captions up]
Leo: macmerc.com, THAT'S WHERE RICK LIVES, AND YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE ABOUT SUPERDUPER AT OUR WEBSITE, thelabwithleo.com. AND NOW, TIME TO PLAY OUR LITTLE "WHAT THE TECH IS IT" GAME. [Pop captions down]
Leo: DON'T GET A CLOSE-UP ON THAT. GET A CLOSE-UP ON THIS, SOMETHING COMMONLY FOUND AROUND THE LAB. IT LOOKS LIKE A TUBE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. STICK AROUND. WE'LL ZOOM OUT AND FIND OUT WHEN THE LAB CONTINUES. (Funky techno music) COMMERCIAL (Funky techno music)
Leo: WELCOME BACK TO THE LAB. BEFORE THE BREAK WE ASKED, "WHAT THE TECH IS THAT?" [Pop captions up]
Leo: LET'S ZOOM OUT AND FIND OUT. IT IS! I THOUGHT IT WAS A VACUUM TUBE. I DON'T KNOW WHY. DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE ANY VACUUM TUBES LYING AROUND? [Pop captions down]
Leo: SEAN CARRUTHERS TAKES THOSE PICTURES UP CLOSE WITH HIS SUPERDUPER MACRO LENS LIKE HE'S DOING RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S GONNA DRIVE ME CRAZY. (Camera shutter clicking)
Leo: IF ONE OF THESE SHOWS UP ON "WHAT THE TECH," I'M GONNA BE ANGRY. (Camera shutter clicking)
Leo: (Chuckles) "IT'S LEO'S NOSTRIL!"
Kate: (Laughing)
Leo: EWW! KATE ABRAHAM, DO YOU HAVE A -- BY THE WAY...
Kate: IT'S A FREE GIFT.
Leo: DID YOU STEAL MY STAPLER?
Kate: A FREE GIFT. (Laughing)
Leo: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO YOU HAVE A CALL FOR US?
Kate: I DO. I HAVE HAROLD, AND HE'S FROM MONTREAL IN BEAUTIFUL QUEBEC.
Leo: QUEBEC. HELLO, HAROLD!
Harold: HI, LEO. HOW ARE YA?
Leo: I'M WONDERFUL. HOW ARE YOU? [Pop captions up]
Leo: WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
Harold: THANK YOU.
Leo: WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU TODAY?
Harold: WELL, I'VE BEEN A LONGTIME WINDOWS USER, AND I STARTED USING UBUNTU FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS.
Leo: IT'S FUNNY HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT UBUNTU ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVEN ON THIS SHOW, YOU KNOW. [Pop captions down]
Harold: IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.
Leo: ISN'T IT GREAT?
Harold: I LOVE IT.
Leo: YEAH!
Harold: BUT MY QUESTION IS, IN TERMS OF SECURITY, I MEAN DO I HAVE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THE SAME THINGS THAT I WOULD HAVE WITH WINDOWS OR, IF YES, DO I NEED TO HAVE A PROGRAM OR SOMETHING TO INSTALL IT ON TO PROTECT MYSELF?
Leo: YOU KNOW, IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. I MEAN THE REAL REASON THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO USE UBUNTU, WHICH IS A LINUX DISTRIBUTION, IS BECAUSE OF SECURITY -- NO SPYWARE, NO VIRUSES. IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT JUST WORKS BETTER. [Pop captions up]
Leo: HOWEVER, THERE'S NO INHERENT REASON WHY IT'S MORE SECURE. ALL SOFTWARE, WHETHER IT'S WINDOWS, MAC, LINUX, YOU KNOW, HAS BUGS IN IT, AND A DETERMINED HACKER COULD PROBABLY USE THOSE BUGS TO GET BAD STUFF ON YOUR SYSTEM. I THINK THE POINT REALLY IS THAT THE BASIC NATURE OF THE WAY UBUNTU AND ALL UNIX AND LINUX SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED -- AND LINUX IS A KIND OF AN EMULATION OF UNIX -- REALLY DISCOURAGES MALWARE. FOR INSTANCE -- NOW, I HOPE YOU'RE NOT RUNNING AS A ROOT ON UBUNTU, THAT WHEN YOU RUN IT DAY-TO-DAY -- [Pop captions down] (Unclear)
Leo: YEAH, YOU RUN IT AS A LIMITED NORMAL USER, RIGHT?
Harold: YEAH.
Leo: AND THAT'S ONE REASON YOU'RE SAFER. WINDOWS PEOPLE TEND TO RUN AS THE ADMINISTRATOR. THAT'S MORE DANGEROUS. ANOTHER REASON IT'S SAFER IS BECAUSE FROM DAY ONE, LINUX, BASED ON UNIX, WAS A MULTI-USER OPERATING SYSTEM, AND SO THERE ARE PRECAUTIONS IN PLACE TO KEEP OTHER USERS FROM MESSING WITH YOUR STUFF. WELL, THE OTHER USER COULD BE SOMEBODY ELSE ON A MULTI-USER OPERATING SYSTEM, OR IT COULD BE A BAD GUY TRYING TO GET IN AND MESS WITH YOUR STUFF. IT'S JUST ITS SECURITY IS BUILT IN. IT NEVER WAS ON WINDOWS. IT'S AN AFTERTHOUGHT ON WINDOWS. NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE AREN'T SECURITY FLAWS ON WINDOWS OR ON LINUX OR ON MACINTOSH FOR THAT MATTER. IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY SEEM MUCH LESS PREVALENT. IN MY EXPERIENCE, YOU DO NOT NEED ANTISPYWARE, YOU DO NOT NEED ANTIVIRUS. IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WANT SOME, OF COURSE, THE OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY HAS STEPPED FORWARD WITH SOMETHING CALLED CLAM AV. I THINK IT'S clamav.net... YEP. AND THIS IS A FREE ANTIVIRUS, ANTI-MALWARE PROGRAM. [Pop captions up]
Leo: YOU'LL FIND THERE AREN'T VERY MANY UPDATES BECAUSE FRANKLY, THERE'S NOTHING TO UPDATE IT FOR, RIGHT? THERE'S NO NEW VIRUSES. BUT LOOK AT HOW MANY SIGNATURES. THERE ARE 116,209 SIGNATURES IN THERE. MANY OF THOSE ARE WINDOWS VIRUSES, BUT NEVERTHELESS, I MEAN THEY DO KEEP IT UP TO DATE, AND YOU'LL SEE, IF YOU GO TO THEIR SITE, THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SECURITY FLAWS. [Pop captions down]
Leo: THERE ARE PROBLEMS. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY WORTHWHILE. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY DOWNLOAD IT AND HAVE IT. DON'T RUN IT ALL THE TIME. JUST RUN IT ONCE A WEEK JUST TO SCAN AND MAKE SURE YOU DIDN'T GET ANYTHING, BUT THE TRUTH IS, THAT'S OVERKILL REALLY. I MEAN IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT YOU'D EVER HAVE A SECURITY PROBLEM.
Harold: OKAY.
Leo: MAKE SURE YOU DO KEEP THE UPDATES GOING. WITH UBUNTU, IT'S NICE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BUILT-IN AUTOMATIC UPDATER. KEEP THAT RUNNING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE UPDATES ARE SECURITY PATCHES. THE GOOD NEWS IS, WITH UBUNTU, WHICH IS ONE OF MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY DIFFERENT FLAVOURS OF LINUX -- WE CALL THEM DISTRIBUTIONS. WITH UBUNTU, YOU'RE USING ONE THAT'S A VERY ACTIVE, VERY POPULAR DISTRIBUTION, SO THE PATCHES HAPPEN QUICKER THERE.
Harold: OKAY.
Leo: BUT I WOULD SAY DON'T WORRY. FEAR NOT. THAT'S THE REASON YOU'RE USING LINUX.
Harold: YEAH.
Leo: YEAH, IT'S MUCH, MUCH SAFER.
Harold: YEAH.
Leo: GOOD! GOOD FOR YOU!
Harold: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Leo: WAS IT A DIFFICULT TRANSITION FOR YOU TO MAKE?
Harold: MM, NONE AT ALL, NONE AT ALL.
Leo: GOOD! [Pop captions up]
Harold: I FIND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO USING WINDOWS --
Leo: YEAH!
Harold: AND EVERYTHING'S THERE FOR YOU. I MEAN I'VE BEEN USING FIREFOX ON WINDOWS AND --
Leo: YEAH, IT'S THE SAME!
Harold: THERE WAS FIREFOX ON UBUNTU AND --
Leo: YOU HAVE TO LEARN SOME NEW THINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO STRONG, SO RELIABLE, SO SECURE THAT I REALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S A GREAT CHOICE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. [Pop captions down]
Harold: YEAH.
Leo: HEY, THANKS FOR THE CALL, HAROLD. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
Harold: THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
Leo: HAVE A GREAT DAY!
Harold: YOU TOO. BYE-BYE.
Leo: TAKE CARE. U-B-U-N-T-U, THAT'S THE WEBSITE, AND IT'S FREE TO DOWNLOAD. [Pop captions up]
Leo: THEY'LL EVEN SEND YOU A DISK FOR FREE IF YOU WANT TO TRY IT ON YOUR PC OR MAC. MORE OF YOUR CALLS COMING UP IN JUST A BIT, BUT FIRST OUR QUICK QUIZ QUESTION OF THE DAY! (Pen tapping)
Leo: WHAT WAS THE EARLY DEVELOPMENT CODE NAME FOR QUICKTIME? OH, IT'S A QUICK QUIZ QUESTION ON QUICKTIME. WAS IT WARHOL, BISCOTTI, SIDECAR OR ROADPIZZA? I DON'T KNOW! AH! THINK ABOUT IT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE LATER ON AS THE LAB \AIITH LEO CONTINUES. (Funky techno music) [Pop captions down] COMMERCIAL (Theme music playing)
Leo: THAT'S A TOUGH QUIZ QUESTION. SEAN IS GOING, "YOU KNOW THAT, DON'T YOU?" AND I'M GOING, "NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT." I'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT, I'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET BACK TO THE CALLS. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE, I'M SURE, BECAUSE KATE'S VERY GOOD AT LINING THESE GUYS UP. WHOA!
Kate: (Chuckles)
Leo: WE'VE GOT PIRATES!
Kate: ISN'T THAT THE BEST PICTURE EVER?
Leo: THAT IS. EVEN THE DOG HAS AN EYE PATCH.
Kate: (Laughing)
Leo: WOW!
Kate: THIS IS STEVE FROM CALIMESA IN CALIFORNIA. [Pop captions up]
Leo: STEVE, WHERE'D YOU GET THAT GREAT PICTURE?
Steve: A FRIEND OF OURS WHO MANIPULATES PHOTOSHOP PUT IT TOGETHER FOR US.
Leo: OH, YOU MEAN IT'S NOT -- YOU DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT ORIGINALLY?
Steve: OH, ACTUALLY WE DID. [Pop captions down]
Steve: HE JUST DID THE BACKGROUND, AND WE HAD OUR PICTURES TAKEN AT SEPARATE TIMES AND --
Leo: OH, YOU'RE KIDDING!
Steve: NO.
Leo: IT'S JUST GORGEOUS. WHAT A GREAT SHOT. AND WHAT'S YOUR DOG'S NAME?
Steve: HE'S THE DREAD PIRATE DOG, ZIGGY.
Leo: ZIGGY THE DREAD PIRATE, ZIGGY. AND IS THAT YOUR WIFE IN THERE?
Steve: YES, THAT'S LYNNIE.
Leo: HI, LYNNIE. HI, ZIGGY. WOW, I'M JEALOUS. I WANT A PICTURE OF ME AS A PIRATE!
Steve: WELL, VOLUNTEER AT THE PIRATE FESTIVAL.
Leo: (Laughing) (In pirate voice) DO YOU HAVE TO TALK LIKE THAT IF YOU'RE AT THE PIRATE FESTIVAL? ARR!
Steve: (In pirate voice) ARR, YEAH, AYE, MATEY.
Leo: (In pirate voice) AYE, YA DO. WHAT CAN I DO FOR YA THEN, STEPHEN?
Steve: WELL, WE DON'T GET YOU ON TELEVISION DOWN HERE.
Leo: NOBODY GETS ME.
Steve: AND -- (Laughing) I DO!
Leo: OH, YOU MEAN THE SHOW. YOU DON'T GET THE SHOW. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WE HAVE YET TO GET THE SHOW BACK ON IN THE STATES. WE WILL.
Steve: I KNOW. I'M WORKIN' HARD FOR YOU DOWN HERE --
Leo: THANK YOU!
Steve: TRYIN' TO TELL EVERYBODY TO DO WHAT THEY CAN.
Leo: THANK YOU.
Steve: AND WE KEEP SEEING THESE ADS FOR SOFTWARE TO WATCH 3,000 CHANNELS ONLINE --
Leo: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
Steve: WITH NO MONTHLY FEE AND --
Leo: HOW DO THEY DO IT?
Steve: YEAH, AND I WONDERED IF THEY ACTUALLY DID THAT, OR IT WAS JUST ANOTHER -- [Pop captions up]
Leo: WELL, I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING. I KNOW YOU DON'T GET IT -- YOU WON'T GET CALL FOR HELP OR THE LAB ON IT.
Steve: OH.
Leo: (Laughing) IF YOU DO A FREE, A SEARCH FOR "FREE SATELLITE," YOU'LL FIND A NUMBER OF THESE SERVICES, AND REALLY IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING. [Pop captions down]
Leo: "NO MONTHLY FEE, 200 DIGITAL CHANNELS, INCLUDING BBC AND ITV!" AND WHAT IT IS IS BASICALLY THESE -- AND YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY CHECK THE LISTINGS. THESE ARE ON THE NET. THEY'RE SATELLITE SERVICES WHERE THEY CAPTURE -- SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY CAPTURE THE SATELLITE, AND THEY PUT IT ON THE NET. IN MOST CASES, THEY TAKE ALREADY EXISTING INTERNET STREAMS, AND THEY AGGREGATE THEM FOR YOU.
Steve: AHA.
Leo: IT'S NOT GONNA GIVE YOU ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T ALREADY GET ON THE INTERNET. ALMOST ALL OF THESE ARE ALREADY FREELY AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET, SO -- AND WHAT YOU WON'T GET IS COMMERCIAL SERVICES THAT ARE NOT IN THE CLEAR ON THE SATELLITE, AND THAT INCLUDES "G4 TECH TV CANADA" AND "HOW TO", THE TWO CHANNELS THAT THIS SHOW IS SEEN ON. SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD DO IS IF YOU LOOK AT THESE FREE SATELLITE TV'S, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF COMPANIES DOING THIS, LOOK VERY CLOSELY AT THE PROGRAM GUIDE. WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET IS A LOT OF INTERNATIONAL BROAD PROGRAMMING THAT OFTEN IS STATE-SUBSIDIZED TELEVISION, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, IT'S AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET FREE AND IN THE CLEAR OR, YOU KNOW, ON SATELLITE C-BAND. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THESE SERVICES RIGHT NOW. I MEAN I'M JUST -- YOU KNOW, HERE'S ONE -- satellitetvtopc.com. I'M JUST SEEING A TON OF THESE, AND FRANKLY, IT'S JUST MISLEADING. IF YOU LOOK REALLY CLOSELY AT THE STATIONS YOU'RE GETTING -- (Chuckles) ALBANIA, ALGERIA, ANDORRA, ARGENTINA!
Steve: (Laughing)
Leo: YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS IS THE KIND OF STATIONS YOU'RE GETTING, AND IT'S FINE. IT'S LEGAL. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A RIP-OFF, BUT YOU WANT TO LOOK VERY CLOSELY AT THEIR TV GUIDE AND SEE WHAT CHANNELS YOU'RE GETTING, AND YOU WON'T GET MY SHOW ON.
Steve: YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING WAS ANYTHING THAT LISTED THE ACTUAL CHANNELS.
Leo: OH, I WONDER WHY. I WONDER WHY THEY DON'T TELL YOU WHAT CHANNELS.
Steve: (Laughing)
Leo: WHY WOULDN'T THEY DO THAT? HUH, THAT'S INTERESTING.
Steve: AND NO WONDER THEY WENT TO MY BULK MAIL BOX.
Leo: YEAH, HMM... YEAH, EXACTLY. I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S A SCAM. I MEAN IT DOES WHAT THEY SAY THEY'LL DO. IT'S NOT SATELLITE TV IN MOST CASES. IT'S JUST AGGREGATING EXISTING STREAMING INTERNET TV. SORRY.
Steve: WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL JUST HAVE TO TOUGH IT OUT UNTIL YOU'RE ON THE AIR HERE.
Leo: SUFFER. NO, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE GONNA -- WE'RE WORKIN'. I'M GONNA MAKE A WILD PREDICTION, BUT I PREDICT BY THE END OF THE YEAR WE WILL BE ON AGAIN IN THE STATES. WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD. THE FOLKS WHO PRODUCE THIS SHOW --
Steve: I FEEL TECHNICALLY DEPRIVED.
Leo: (Laughing) YOU'RE VERY -- YOU'RE VERY, VERY KIND. YOU KNOW, I DO STILL HAVE THE RADIO SHOW. WE DO STILL HAVE MANY, MANY PODCASTS. I TRY TO DO AS MUCH PROGRAMMING AS I CAN FREE AND WIDELY AVAILABLE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS IS THE ONE THING I CANNOT GET BACK INTO THE STATES, TRY AS I MIGHT. WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A FRIENDLY CABLE CHANNEL. THAT'S ALL.
Steve: OKAY, WELL, WE'LL KEEP TALKIN' TO OURS.
Leo: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, STEVE. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
Steve: OKAY, THANK YOU.
Leo: TAKE CARE. BYE, LYNNIE! BYE, ZIGGY! ARR! BYE, PIRATES! MORE OF YOUR CALLS COMIN' UP! [Pop captions up]
Leo: (In pirate voice) YOU STAY RIGHT HERE, MATEY! (Funky techno music) [Pop captions down] COMMERCIAL (Theme music playing)
Leo: WELCOME BACK TO THE LAB WITH LEO. I'M READY FOR ANOTHER QUESTION! ARE YOU READY FOR ANOTHER QUESTION? YES, LET'S GET ANOTHER QUESTION! AND HERE WE GO! I KNOW. SOMEHOW I'M CHANNELLING --
Kate: (Laughing)
Leo: I'M CHANNELLING RICHARD SIMMONS. KATE, AH, GIVE US ANOTHER QUESTION!
Kate: (Panting) PRESSURE, PRESSURE!
Leo: (Laughing)
Kate: RIGHT NOW ON THE LINE WE HAVE ALAN, AND HE IS FROM ROSEBUD IN VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.
Leo: AH, ROSEBUD IN VICTORIA! DOESN'T THAT SOUND WONDERFUL? HELLO, ALAN! [Pop captions up]
Alan: HELLO THERE, LEO. HOW ARE YOU?
Leo: I'M WELL! THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO US. IT MUST BE PRETTY EARLY IN THE MORNING THERE.
Alan: IT'S ALMOST 8:00. I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE SINCE 6:00 A.M.
Leo: OH! AH, I FEEL TERRIBLE! I'M SO SORRY! [Pop captions down]
Leo: WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE! MAYBE I CAN MAKE --
Alan: THAT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT.
Leo: MAYBE I CAN HELP YOU WITH SOMETHING.
Alan: I HOPE SO.
Leo: WHAT IS IT?
Alan: I'M FINDING IT A BIT DIFFICULT TO HEAR YOU ACTUALLY.
Leo: (Shouting) I'LL TALK LOUD! IT'S A LONG WAY TO AUSTRALIA!
Alan: IT IS. (Laughing)
Leo: WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU?
Alan: WELL, I HAD A PROBLEM WITH A COMPUTER THAT'S BEEN VERY SLOW.
Leo: OKAY.
Alan: SO I'VE DONE A CLEAN INSTALL WITH XP.
Leo: GREAT.
Alan: AND DONE A BACKUP ON AN EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE. BUT NOW I CAN'T GET THE BACKUP BACK ON THE COMPUTER.
Leo: OH, NO! THAT'S FRUSTRATING. HOW DID YOU MAKE THE BACKUP?
Alan: JUST BY DIRECTLY ADDING IT ONTO THE EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE.
Leo: YOU JUST COPIED FILES OVER.
Alan: YEAH.
Leo: OKAY. AND DID YOU -- WHAT DID YOU COPY OVER, JUST "MY DOCUMENTS," OR WHAT DID YOU COPY OVER?
Alan: YEAH.
Leo: OKAY.
Alan: YEAH.
Leo: SO YOU COPIED THE "MY DOCUMENTS" FOLDER, AND NOW WHEN YOU TRY TO COPY IT BACK, WHAT HAPPENS?
Alan: NOTHING.
Leo: YOU CAN'T SEE -- CAN YOU SEE THE HARD DRIVE, THE EXTERNAL?
Alan: I CAN SEE IT, YEAH, BUT I CAN'T GET IT TO DO ANYTHING. AND I'M JUST WONDERING. WHEN I DID THE CLEAN INSTALL, I ACTUALLY CHANGED THE NAME OF THE COMPUTER. WOULD THAT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT?
Leo: NOTHING AT ALL, NOTHING AT ALL. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONTENTS OF THE EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE, DO YOU SEE THE "MY DOCUMENTS" FOLDER?
Alan: YEAH.
Leo: AND IF YOU DOUBLE-CLICK IT, CAN YOU SEE THE FILES INSIDE?
Alan: YES.
Leo: SO EVERYTHING'S THERE!
Alan: (Stammering)
Leo: CAN YOU OPEN THE FILES FROM THE EXTERNAL DRIVE?
Alan: I'M SORRY?
Leo: CAN YOU OPEN THOSE FILES THAT ARE ON THE EXTERNAL -- IF YOU DOUBLE-CLICKED THEM, WOULD THEY OPEN UP?
Alan: SOME DO, SOME DON'T.
Leo: AH... SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHILE YOU THOUGHT THEY GOT COPIED OVER, MAYBE SOME GOT COPIED, BUT NOT ALL THE FILES GOT COPIED.
Alan: THAT'S QUITE POSSIBLE.
Leo: YEAH. (Unclear)
Leo: OH, THAT'S TERRIBLE. WHAT I WOULD DO IS LOOK AT THE FILES THAT YOU CANNOT OPEN AND SEE HOW BIG THEY ARE. ARE THEY ZERO BYTES? IF THEY ARE, THAT MEANS THEY DIDN'T COPY. YOU KNOW, THIS CAN HAPPEN WITH A USB DRIVE, AND I BLAME WINDOWS A LITTLE BIT. YOU REMEMBER, IN THE OLD DAYS WITH WINDOWS, YOU WOULD -- BEFORE YOU REMOVED A USB DRIVE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CLICK THE THING THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, "STOP USING THIS DRIVE," AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD WRITE OUT WHATEVER INFORMATION WAS REMAINING TO THAT DRIVE, BUT NOW, BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO MUCH WORK, YOU CAN JUST UNPLUG ANY USB DRIVE ANYTIME YOU WANT. THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU DO IT TOO QUICKLY, IT'S POSSIBLE YOU'RE UNPLUGGING IT BEFORE IT'S FINISHED WRITING TO THE DRIVE. IT MIGHT HAVE WRITTEN THE TABLE OF CONTENTS BUT NOT ACTUALLY WRITTEN THE DATA. SO WHAT I'D DO IS I WOULD LOOK AT THAT DATA AND SEE IF IT'S GOT A FILE SIZE, I MEAN IF IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, MEGABYTES OR IF IT'S JUST ZERO FILE SIZE, AND ZERO FILE SIZE MEANS IT DIDN'T, IN FACT, COPY THAT DATA OVER.
Alan: YEAH.
Leo: NOW, THE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE DRIVE OR THE DRIVE INTERFACE, AND THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALWAYS A PROBLEM. [Pop captions up]
Leo: WHEN YOU MAKE A COPY, YOU WANT TO KIND OF -- AND THIS IS ONE REASON I DON'T RECOMMEND BACKUP SOFTWARE. YOU WANT TO KIND OF VALIDATE THAT COPY AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS THERE. I'M HOPING THAT YOU GOT A GOOD COPY. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY REAL WAY TO RECOVER IT IF THE DATA'S NOT THERE. [Pop captions down]
Leo: IF THE DATA'S THERE AND THE DRIVE'S NOT WORKING WELL, THEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO RECOVER IT, AND ONE WAY TO DO THIS WOULD BE TO TAKE THIS -- THIS EXTERNAL DRIVE ACTUALLY IS JUST A REGULAR DRIVE. YOU COULD TAKE IT OUT OF THE CASE. IS IT A TINY ONE, OR IS IT A REGULAR FULL-SIZED DRIVE?
Alan: UM... WELL, THE ACTUAL DRIVE IS THE SAME, SO --
Leo: IT'S A BIG CLUNKY BOX.
Alan: FOUR GIGABYTES.
Leo: YEAH. WELL, THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE THAT MEANS YOU CAN TAKE IT OUT OF THE EXTERNAL ENCLOSURE AND ACTUALLY PUT IT IN YOUR COMPUTER. IT'S AN IDE DRIVE OR AN SATA DRIVE. IF YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT INTERFACE, YOU CAN PUT IT IN YOUR COMPUTER. THAT'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE AT LEAST TO RUN DISK RECOVERY SOFTWARE ON IT. YOU CAN'T DO IT THROUGH THE USB INTERFACE, BUT IF IT'S IN YOUR COMPUTER AS AN INTERNAL DRIVE, THEN YOU CAN RUN RECOVERY SOFTWARE. [Pop captions up]
Leo: SO IF THERE IS DATA THERE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO RECOVER IT. THE PROGRAM I RECOMMEND IS FROM grc.com. IT'S OUR GOOD FRIEND, STEVE GIBSON, HIS PROGRAM, SPINRITE. [Pop captions down]
Leo: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD OF THIS BEFORE. BUT THIS -- [Pop captions up]
Leo: I MEAN IT'S NOT FREE, BUT IT WILL DO THE BEST JOB OF RECOVERING -- YOU SEE STEVE'S BEEN ON THE SHOW MANY TIMES -- THE BEST JOB OF RECOVERING THIS DATA. BUT IN ORDER FOR YOU TO USE THIS, YOU CAN'T USE IT WITH AN EXTERNAL DRIVE BECAUSE THE USB INTERFACE HIDES THE LOW-LEVEL FEATURES OF THE DRIVE. [Pop captions down]
Leo: YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PUT IT INTO YOUR COMPUTER.
Alan: OKAY.
Leo: OKAY? SO I'M WORRIED THAT THAT DATA DIDN'T GET THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT IF IT --
Alan: THAT IS QUITE POSSIBLE.
Leo: YEAH, IF IT'S A DRIVE ERROR, THEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO RECOVER THAT DATA USING SOMETHING LIKE SPINRITE, BUT MY REAL FEAR IS THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE.
Alan: IT COULD BE MY ERROR, TOO, BECAUSE I HAD IT FOR ABOUT A WEEK, WONDERING WHY IT WOULDN'T WORK, AND I HADN'T SWITCHED IT ON. (Chuckling)
Leo: (Chuckling) WELL, NOW THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT! (Stammering) THERE'S NO -- YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD MAKE THAT EASIER!
Alan: (Laughing)
Leo: OR SOMETHING. (Laughing) NO, THESE THINGS HAPPEN, AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU REMOVED THAT DRIVE TOO SOON. YOU'VE GOTTA BE PATIENT WHEN YOU'RE WRITING TO A USB DRIVE, AND IF YOU'RE WRITING A LOT OF DATA, GET UP AND WALK AWAY. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S YOUR FAULT. I REALLY THINK IT'S MUCH MORE LIKELY THAT SOMETHING WENT WRONG IN THE DRIVE SOFTWARE OR THE DRIVE BUFFER OR WHATEVER. AND, YOU KNOW, THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS TAKE THAT DRIVE OUT, PUT IT IN THE MACHINE AND HOPE THAT YOU CAN RECOVER IT. I WISH YOU LUCK. I'M SORRY THAT THAT HAPPENED TO YOU. THAT'S A NIGHTMARE. (Funky techno music)
Leo: ESPECIALLY IF THOSE FILES ARE PRECIOUS, AND THERE'S NO OTHER COPY OF IT. I GENERALLY RECOMMEND MAKING MULTIPLE COPIES. THAT'S WHY I SAY BURN CD'S, BACK UP TO AN EXTERNAL DRIVE, DO AS MANY DIFFERENT COPIES AS YOU CAN BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING IT BACK. HEY, THANKS FOR THE CALL. GOOD LUCK. I APPRECIATE YOUR GETTIN' UP EARLY WITH US.
Alan: THAT'S FINE. THANKS, LEO.
Leo: KEEP WATCHING THE SHOW. TAKE CARE.
Alan: I WILL. THANK YOU.
Leo: NOW IT'S TIME TO STROLL ON OVER, TAKE A WALK TO THE WILD SIDE, THE JEWEL SIDE, RYAN YEWELL'S BEAUTIFUL JEWELS.
Ryan: YES!
Leo: HEY, THIS IS ONE THAT EVERYBODY LOVES.
Ryan: AND I GOTTA SAY IF YOU'RE NOT ON FIREFOX YET, WHY NOT, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST ANOTHER REASON TO SWITCH OVER TO THIS BROWSER.
Leo: THE MAIN REASON NOW -- I USED TO RECOMMEND IT FOR SECURITY, ANTISPYWARE. I THINK IE7'S DONE A LOT OF THE FIXES THERE. BUT THE MAIN REASON STILL TO USE FIREFOX IS THESE EXTENSIONS.
Ryan: EXTENSIONS, CUSTOMABILITY.
Leo: THEY'RE SO POWERFUL, YEAH.
Ryan: AND THIS IS AN ADD-ON. [Pop captions up]
Ryan: IT'S CALLED ADBLOCK, AND WHAT ADBLOCK DOES IS YOU INSTALL IT, AND IT ALLOWS YOU TO TELL FIREFOX TO SAY, "HEY, DON'T DOWNLOAD AN IMAGE FROM THIS SERVER," OR "BLOCK THIS IMAGE."
Leo: IT BLOCKS ONLINE ADS.
Ryan: EXACTLY. SO, NOW THE THING IS IS THAT, OKAY, SO I'VE DOWNLOADED IT BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THOUSANDS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERVERS AND IMAGES. WELL, I DON'T WANT TO LIKE SPEND ALL THIS TIME SETTING THOSE FEATURES, SO THERE'S ALSO THIS OTHER PART, ADD-ON, CALLED ADBLOCK FILTERSET.G.
Leo: OH, SO IT DOESN'T COME WITH A FILTERSET.
Ryan: YOU KIND OF HAVE TO DEFINE IT YOURSELF, BUT THIS ACTUALLY UPDATES ON A REGULAR BASIS AND AUTOMATICALLY DUMPS A HUGE LIST INTO ADBLOCK FOR YOU ALREADY.
Leo: THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, OKAY. [Pop captions down]
Ryan: THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. SO YOU DOWNLOAD --
Leo: SO IT'LL SAY ALL THE DIFFERENT AD SERVERS, AND YOU CAN HAVE IT BLOCK THEM.
Ryan: THEY KIND OF DID ALL THE LEGWORK FOR YOU. SO I'LL SHOW YOU IT IN ACTION HERE. SO YOU CAN SEE UP HERE --
Leo: OH, HERE'S MY RADIO STATION!
Ryan: WELL, THERE YOU GO! AND UP TOP WE'VE GOT "AVOID THE FLU AND OTHER CONTAGIOUS DISEASES." YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO --
Leo: THERE'S A LOT OF ADS ON THIS SITE.
Ryan: THERE'S A LOT OF ADS, SO --
Leo: LOOK, THEY'RE GONE!
Ryan: NOW DOWN HERE, THEY ARE GONE.
Leo: THAT'S THE BOTTOM PANE.
Ryan: THE BOTTOM PANE HERE, YOU CAN SEE, IS JUST BLACK SPACE WHERE BEFORE THERE WAS AN AD. NOW, IF I SCROLL DOWN ON THIS PAGE, YOU CAN SEE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM HERE --
Leo: LOOK AT THOSE.
Ryan: THERE'S MORE ADS HERE.
Leo: THERE'S EIGHT ADS THERE.
Ryan: THERE'S ADS. SO LET'S SCROLL DOWN HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE, WELL, IT'S NOT PRETTY, BUT --
Leo: THEY'RE GONE.
Ryan: IT HAS GONE, AND THIS MEANS PAGES LOAD UP FASTER. YOU DON'T SPEND AS MUCH TIME LOADING THESE ADVERTISEMENTS. I HAVE ANOTHER SITE HERE --
Leo: IT ALSO BREAKS MY HEART -- (Laughing) BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SEEING THOSE ADS.
Ryan: YEAH.
Leo: AH, WELL.
Ryan: SO, AND THE OTHER THING, LIKE ON CNET HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE AN APPLE LOGO ADVERTISEMENT UNDERNEATH, AND THEN ON DOWN HERE, IT'S GONE. SO IF YOU HAPPEN TO FIND, FOR INSTANCE, AN AD THAT DIDN'T GET BLOCKED FOR WHATEVER REASON, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I SAW RIGHT HERE THERE'S STILL AN ADVERTISEMENT, RIGHT?
Leo: OH, THERE'S AN AD.
Ryan: THERE'S STILL AN AD. SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO --
Leo: OH, NO!
Ryan: -- IS I'M GONNA RIGHT-CLICK, AND I'M GONNA GO, "BLOCK IMAGES FROM i.i.com.com." THAT SOUNDS --
Leo: YOU'VE FOUND ANOTHER AD SERVER.
Ryan: THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT, SO I'M GONNA GO LIKE THAT, AND IT WILL RELOAD THE PAGE, AND NOW THOSE IMAGES FROM THAT SERVER WILL BE BLOCKED.
Leo: WOW.
Ryan: AND THEY'RE GONE. (Distant yelling)
Ryan: SO YOU CAN ADD TO IT.
Leo: EVERYBODY LIKES THAT ONE.
Ryan: YEAH.
Leo: I JUST HAVE TO SAY, AS SOMEBODY WHO PUTS ADS ON HIS SITE AND HOW THAT SUPPORTS MUCH OF THE CONTENT THAT YOU GET FROM ME, PLEASE DON'T BLOCK OUR ADS, BUT I UNDERSTAND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO.
Ryan: I KNOW IN THE WORLD WE LIVE IN IT'S IMPORTANT, AND IT'S REVENUE.
Leo: YOU GET A LOT OF FREE STUFF HERE, DUDE!
Ryan: YOU DO, YOU DO!
Leo: GUESS HOW THEY PAY FOR THAT FREE STUFF!
Ryan: THIS IS JUST GIVING CONSUMERS A CHOICE, RIGHT? WE JUST WANT TO GIVE THEM A CHOICE.
Leo: I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. IF YOU WANT TO USE ADBLOCK, GO AHEAD.
Ryan: YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THE ADVERTISERS --
Leo: IF YOU WANT TO SEE ME CRY.
Ryan: THE ADVERTISERS WILL FIND A WAY TO HACK ADBLOCK AND, YOU KNOW --
Leo: NO, I HOPE THAT'S NOT THE CASE. MAYBE THEY'LL MAKE THEIR ADS MORE APPEALING, AND THEN YOU'LL WANT TO SEE 'EM, RIGHT?
Ryan: THERE YOU GO.
Leo: THAT'S THE SOLUTION.
Ryan: OKAY. I LIKE MONEY. I LIKE BUSINESS.
Leo: YEAH. ADBLOCK, IT'S A FIREFOX EXTENSION.
Ryan: YES.
Leo: AND YOU CAN GET THE INFORMATION ON HOW TO USE IT AND INSTALL IT -- [Pop captions up]
Ryan: labwithleo.com, "YEWELL'S JEWELS."
Leo: THAT'S IT! THAT'S THE PLACE! WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. IN FACT, JIM'S GONNA BE HERE TO SHOW YOU -- HE'S GOT THE CUTEST SON IN THE WORLD. OWEN IS SO ADORABLE, FOUR YEARS OLD. (Unclear)
Leo: AND HE'S GONNA SHOW YOU, BECAUSE HE LIKES OWEN SO MUCH, HOW TO MAKE 10 MORE OF HIM. [Pop captions down]
Leo: CLONE YOUR KIDS WITH THE GIMP COMING UP IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. I'M NOT CALLING HIM THE GIMP. THAT'S THE NAME OF THE SOFTWARE HE USES.
Ryan: YEAH.
Leo: IT'S VERY CONFUSING. [Pop captions up]
Leo: BUT RIGHT NOW, TIME FOR OUR QUICK QUIZ QUESTION OF THE DAY. WHAT WAS THE EARLY DEVELOPMENT CODE NAME FOR QUICKTIME? WAS IT WARHOL, BISCOTTI, SIDECAR OR ROADPIZZA? GO TO THE WEBSITE. GIVE US THE ANSWER. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT AS THE LAB CONTINUES. (Funky techno music) [Pop captions down] COMMERCIAL [Pop captions up] (Funky techno music)
Leo: WELCOME BACK TO THE LAB. BEFORE THE BREAK WE ASKED YOU... WHAT WAS THE EARLY NAME, THE CODE NAME, FOR QUICKTIME. SEAN'S JUST LOOKING SO COCKY! HE THINKS HE KNOWS EVERYTHING! I'M GONNA GUESS SIDECAR, BUT IT'S JUST A GUESS. ROADPIZZA?! WHO KNEW THAT? WAS THAT AN APPLE CODE, AN OFFICIAL APPLE CODE? WOW. [Pop captions down]
Sean: IT WAS ABOUT COMPRESSION, JUST LIKE ROAD PIZZA.
Leo: ROAD PIZZA. THEY SQUISH IT JUST LIKE ROAD -- OH, I GET IT, OH, I GET IT. PHEW! JIM RUTHERFORD IS THE EDITOR FOR "THE DIGITAL MEDIA MINUTE." IS THAT A PODCAST?
Jim: NO, IT'S A WEBLOG.
Leo: A WEBLOG.
Jim: IT'S A WEB DEVELOPMENT, COOL SOFTWARE, FUN THINGS TO DO.
Leo: THAT'S NEAT!
Jim: YEAH.
Leo: digitalmediaminute.com?
Jim: THAT'S RIGHT!
Leo: OH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO START CHECKING THIS OUT!
Jim: YEAH, IT'S A GOOD ONE.
Leo: SO YOU DO WEB DESIGN.
Jim: I'M A WEB DEVELOPER. THAT'S CORRECT.
Leo: AND THIS IS YOUR CHIEF CLIENT, YOUR NUMBER ONE CLIENT.
Jim: YES, THIS IS MY SON, OWEN.
Leo: (Laughing) OWEN HAS BEEN SUCH FUN. WE'VE HAD HIM ON THE SHOW ALL DAY, AND HE'S BEEN PLAYING LEGO, STAR WARS AND DIFFERENT STUFF. AND THAT'S YOU. YES, YOU'RE ON TV RIGHT NOW. HOW OLD IS OWEN? [Pop captions up]
Jim: HOW OLD ARE YOU, OWEN? FOUR.
Leo: FOUR YEARS OLD.
Jim: YES.
Leo: AND HE IS GONNA HELP DAD, AS IF ONE OWEN WEREN'T A HANDFUL ENOUGH, TO MAKE FOUR OF HIM OR MORE! [Pop captions down]
Leo: YOU'RE GONNA CLONE OWEN.
Jim: YEAH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO FOR FUN. WE SET UP THESE --
Leo: KIDS LOVE PHOTOSHOP. YOU CAN HAVE SO MUCH FUN WITH PHOTOSHOP ACTUALLY.
Jim: YEAH, YEAH, AND WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE A SERIES OF PICTURES OF OWEN ACTING OUT A SMALL SCENE, WHERE HE PLAYS ALL OF THE PARTS.
Leo: (Laughing)
Jim: AND THEN WE PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER, USING --
Leo: AND HE KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE UP TO?
Jim: YEAH, HE DOES.
Leo: HE GETS IT?
Jim: YEAH, SO HE ACTS ALONG REALLY WELL, AND WE PUT LITTLE MARKERS DOWN ON THE GROUND TO MAKE SURE HE'S LOOKING AT THE SAME PLACE.
Leo: NOW, IN THIS CASE, WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND $900 ON PHOTOSHOP. WE'RE GONNA DO THIS WITH A FREE PROGRAM CALLED "THE GIMP."
Jim: THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA USE GIMP, WHICH IS AN OPEN SOURCE, I GUESS, KIND OF A CLONE OF PHOTOSHOP.
Leo: RIGHT.
Jim: AND THE VERSION I'M USING IS ACTUALLY CALLED GIMPSHOP, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TEND TO LIKE GIMPSHOP A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
Leo: IT LOOKS LIKE PHOTOSHOP.
Jim: IT LOOKS LIKE PHOTOSHOP, AND IT FEELS LIKE PHOTOSHOP.
Leo: YEAH.
Jim: SO THE MENUS AND THE TOOL PALETTES ARE PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME.
Leo: OWEN, ARE YOU A PHOTOSHOP WIZARD? ARE YOU AN EXPERT ON PHOTOSHOP? DO YOU EVER DO THIS STUFF?
Jim: WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT OWEN DOES LIKE DOING. HE LIKES ERASING HIS HEAD.
Leo: (Laughing)
Jim: SO HE JUST HAS HIS BODY LEFT.
Leo: (Laughing)
Jim: SO THE WAY WE MAKE OUR CLONE PICTURES ARE WE --
Leo: LOOK, THERE'S OWEN!
Jim: WE SET UP A TRIPOD.
Leo: OKAY.
Leo: AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE'RE TAKING THE PICTURES THAT WE'RE USING A TRIPOD BECAUSE WE WANT THE BACKGROUND TO BE THE SAME IN EVERY SINGLE SHOT.
Leo: SO YOU LOCK THAT CAMERA DOWN, AND IT DOES NOT MOVE.
Jim: YEAH, IT DOES NOT MOVE.
Leo: OWEN MOVES, BUT THE CAMERA DOESN'T MOVE.
Jim: THAT'S RIGHT. SO OWEN MOVES FROM POSITION TO POSITION, AND WE TAKE PICTURES.
Leo: OKAY.
Jim: AND THEN ONCE WE'VE --
Leo: THIS IS FUN.
Jim: ONCE WE TAKE THE PICTURES, WE COME BACK, WE PUT THEM ON THE LAPTOP, AND WE START EDITING THEM IN GIMP. [Pop captions up]
Leo: NOW, DO YOU TAKE THEM AGAINST A GREEN SCREEN, OR DO YOU TAKE THEM IN THE ENVIRONMENT?
Jim: I TAKE THEM RIGHT IN THE ENVIRONMENT. SO HERE'S THE FIRST PICTURE WE TOOK. [Pop captions down]
Jim: HERE'S A PICTURE OF OWEN --
Leo: SHH.
Jim: -- SAYING, "SHH." HERE'S ANOTHER ONE WHERE OWEN'S PUSHING SOMETHING.
Leo: OKAY.
Jim: AND IF WE GO TO THE THIRD PICTURE, THERE'S OWEN SITTING DOWN BY A POND.
Leo: (Laughing)
Jim: SO THE STORY THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS OWEN'S GONNA PUSH HIMSELF INTO THE POND, AND THE OTHER OWEN'S --
Leo: AND HE'S SAYING, "SHH, DON'T TELL OWEN NUMBER ONE WHILE OWEN NUMBER TWO PUSHES HIM INTO THE POND."
Jim: THAT'S RIGHT.
Leo: NOW, DO YOU LIKE DOING THIS, OWEN? IS THIS FUN TO DO? YEAH, IT'S REALLY FUN. YOU CAN HAVE SO MUCH FUN WITH PHOTOSHOP OR THE GIMP.
Jim: YEAH.
Leo: SO HOW ARE WE GONNA MERGE THESE THREE TOGETHER?
Jim: OKAY, SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GONNA START WITH -- WE CAN USE REALLY ANY ONE OF THESE PICTURES AS THE BASE PICTURE.
Leo: OKAY.
Jim: SO WE'RE JUST GONNA SELECT IT. WE'LL GO OVER TO OPEN OUR LAYERS AND OUR LAYERS PANEL. I'M GONNA ADD A NEW LAYER.
Leo: THIS IS VERY MUCH LIKE PHOTOSHOP.
Jim: VERY MUCH LIKE PHOTOSHOP. I'M NOT GONNA BOTHER NAMING THE LAYER. WE'LL JUST CLICK "OKAY."
Leo: OKAY.
Jim: AND NOW I'M GONNA GO TO ONE OF MY SECOND PICTURES, AND I'M GOING TO SELECT ALL OF IT. SO WE'LL GO TO THE "SELECT" MENU, AND WE'LL SELECT ALL.
Leo: OKAY.
Jim: AND WE'LL GO TO THE "EDIT" MENU, AND WE'LL COPY THIS. NOW WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO OUR BASE PHOTO, WHERE WE CREATED OUR NEW LAYER, AND WE'RE GONNA PASTE. SO "CONTROL-P" TO PASTE, AND SO NOW WE JUST PASTED THE OTHER PICTURE OF OWEN.
Leo: IT'S CALLED A FLOATING SELECTION.
Jim: A FLOATING SELECTION. AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE HAVE TO ANCHOR IT IN GIMP IN ORDER TO DO ANY EDITING WITH IT.
Leo: OKAY.
Jim: SO ONCE WE'VE ANCHORED IT --
Leo: SO YOU ANCHORED IT, WHICH BASICALLY PASTED IT INTO THE NEW LAYER.
Jim: INTO THAT LAYER. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA USE THE LASSO TOOL, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE WE CHOOSE FEATHERED EDGES. NOW, WHAT FEATHERED EDGES WILL DO IS AROUND OUR SELECTION, IT WILL MAKE IT NICE AND SMOOTH.
Leo: IT SOFTENS IT.
Jim: IT SOFTENS IT SO IT WILL BLEND INTO THE BACKGROUND A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND THEN WE'LL JUST TAKE OUR LASSO TOOL --
Leo: THEY'RE LASSOING YOU, OWEN!
Jim: AND WE'LL JUST DRAW AROUND OWEN.
Leo: OH, NO!
Jim: AND WE DON'T HAVE TO BE PERFECT. THIS ISN'T --
Leo: ALL YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE YOU DON'T GET THE OTHER OWEN IN THERE, RIGHT?
Jim: THAT'S RIGHT. AND ONCE IT'S DONE, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK UP TO THE SELECTION WINDOW, AND WE'RE GOING TO INVERT OUR SELECTION. SO WE WANT TO SELECT EVERYTHING AROUND OWEN.
Leo: EVERYTHING BUT OWEN.
Jim: EVERYTHING BUT OWEN. AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE "EDIT" MENU, AND WE'LL CLEAR EVERYTHING EXCEPT OWEN. SO WE GO "CLEAR."
Leo: SO YOU'RE GETTING RID OF -- OH! AND SUDDENLY --
Jim: SO, AND SUDDENLY --
Leo: THE LAYER BELOW IS SHOWING UP!
Jim: THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN WE CAN JUST DO A DESELECT.
Leo: OH, WE'VE GOT TWO OWENS!
Jim: AND WE HAVE TWO OWENS IN THE PICTURE.
Leo: WE NEED ANOTHER ONE, THOUGH.
Jim: NOW WE NEED ANOTHER ONE, SO WE'LL COME BACK, AND WE'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER LAYER HERE, AND WE'LL FIND OUR --
Leo: THIS IS SO MUCH FUN. THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO ENTERTAIN KIDS.
Jim: YEAH, WE DID IT WITH ONE OF OWEN'S FRIENDS YESTERDAY, AND HE JUST ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT. HE THOUGHT IT WAS THE COOLEST THING IN THE WORLD.
Leo: YOU KNOW, WHAT KID ISN'T FASCINATED, FIRST OF ALL, BY STARING AT THEMSELVES --
Jim: YEAH.
Leo: AND HAVING THEMSELVES BE THE STAR OF THEIR OWN LITTLE MOVIE HERE. NOW THIS IS GONNA BE A TRICKY ONE BECAUSE HE'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE OTHER OWEN.
Jim: HE IS VERY CLOSE. I'LL JUST PASTE A NEW IMAGE IN HERE. NOW, I WAS PRETTY SURE WHEN I ACTUALLY, WHEN WE TOOK THESE PICTURES THAT THERE WASN'T ANY OVERLAP, BUT YOU CAN HAVE OVERLAP, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT IT. SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA GRAB THE LASSO TOOL HERE AGAIN -- OOPS, SORRY. I HAVE TO ANCHOR THIS DOWN. IF WE DON'T ANCHOR IT, I CAN'T --
Leo: THAT ADDS IT TO THE LAYER, OKAY.
Jim: SO WE'LL JUST --
Leo: THAT'S HOW YOU'LL KNOW BECAUSE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THE LASSO.
Jim: AND WE'LL JUST --
Leo: NOW, DID YOU HAVE TO DO A FEW DIFFERENT TRIAL VERSIONS OF THIS PICTURE, OR DOES IT USUALLY WORK PRETTY MUCH THE FIRST TIME?
Jim: IT USUALLY WORKS OUT PRETTY MUCH EVERY TIME. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOUR BACKGROUND IS AND TRY TO SEE WHERE YOUR KID IS AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE HE SHOULD BE FOR THE NEXT SHOT.
Leo: RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU REALLY CAN PLACE HIM ACCURATELY.
Jim: YEAH.
Leo: YOU ACTUALLY SAID YOU PUT MARKS DOWN ON THE GROUND?
Jim: SOMETIMES WE DO, YEAH.
Leo: IT MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER TO REMEMBER WHERE THEY WERE?
Jim: YEAH, WHERE HE WAS AND WHERE HE'S GONNA BE LOOKING.
Leo: RIGHT.
Jim: SO WE'LL --
Leo: OWEN, YOU'RE READY TO BE A MOVIE STAR. THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THEY DO IN MAKING MOVIES. OH, LOOK!
Jim: SO, AND THERE'S --
Leo: OH, THAT'S SO FUNNY!
Jim: THERE'S OWEN PUSHING --
Leo: OH, AND I LOVE THAT. DID YOU ACTUALLY END UP PUSHING YOURSELF INTO THE POND? DID YOU? DID YOU GET ALL WET? HE THINKS I'M CRAZY BECAUSE HE KNOWS THERE WASN'T REALLY A THIRD OWEN! THAT WAS CRAZY OF ME. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S THREE OF YOU.
Jim: YEAH.
Leo: HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
Jim: IT'S MAGIC, ISN'T IT?
Leo: WHAT FUN. OH, MY GOODNESS.
Jim: YEAH, IT'S LOTS OF FUN.
Leo: OH, THAT'S -- AND VERY SIMPLE TO DO.
Jim: IT'S VERY SIMPLE AND FREE. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NEED TO SPEND $1,000 ON IMAGE EDITING SOFTWARE TO DO THIS.
Leo: PROFESSIONALLY, PROBABLY YOU USE PHOTOSHOP.
Jim: PROFESSIONALLY I USE PHOTOSHOP, YEAH, AND IT WORKS EQUALLY AS WELL FOR DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
Leo: YOU COULD DO THE SAME EXACT THING.
Jim: ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
Leo: BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. I MEAN CAN YOU DO PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT YOU WOULD DO IN PHOTOSHOP IN THE GIMP?
Jim: I'VE HEARD YOU CAN DO A LOT. FOR EXAMPLE --
Leo: IT SEEMS LIKE YOU CAN DO ALMOST EVERYTHING.
Jim: GIMPSHOP DOES SUPPORT MOST PHOTOSHOP PLUGINS, SO THE COMPATIBILITY IS VERY, VERY GOOD.
Leo: WOW!
Jim: IT DOES SAVE OUT TO PSD, WHICH IS THE PHOTOSHOP FORMAT.
Leo: THE PHOTOSHOP FORMAT, YEAH.
Jim: AND, YEAH, SO IT'S QUITE GREAT, YEAH.
Leo: WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, OWEN, FOR ACTING OUT THAT FINE SCENE, "OWEN PUSHES OWEN INTO THE POND WHILE OWEN SAYS, 'SHH.'" AND WE HOPE -- WE COULD PUT A COPY OF THAT UP ON THE INTERNET IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AND HAVE THE WHOLE WORLD SEE IT.
Jim: YEAH.
Leo: YES. HIS EYES ARE GETTING VERY WIDE RIGHT NOW. (Laughing)
Jim: THERE HE IS.
Leo: OWEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STOPPING BY. [Pop captions up]
Jim: JIM RUTHERFORD IS THE EDITOR OF "DIGITAL MEDIA MINUTE," AN ONLINE BLOG AT digitalmediaminute.com. YOU CAN SEE MORE ABOUT THIS, AND YOU CAN GET A COPY OF GIMPSHOP AT plasticbugs.com. [Pop captions down]
Leo: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STOPPING BY.
Jim: THANK YOU. [Pop captions up]
Leo: MORE INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE AT thelabwithleo.com. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK RIGHT AFTER THIS. STAY HERE. (Upbeat jazz music) [Pop captions down] COMMERCIAL (Theme music playing)
Leo: IT'S FUN TO SEE OWEN AND JIM. FOUR YEARS OLD!
Kate: I KNOW.
Leo: AND I MEAN LIKE HE'S VERY COMFORTABLE WITH VIDEO GAMES. HE'S VERY COMFORTABLE WITH -- IN FACT, WE'RE GONNA GET THEM TO COME BACK BECAUSE AFTERWARDS JIM SHOWED ME A FLASH GAME, AND OWEN DREW THE PICTURES, JIM SCANNED THEM AND MADE THEM INTO A FLASH GAME.
Kate: ME AT FOUR YEARS OLD, ME AT 15 YEARS OLD, I'D HAVE BEEN CRYING OVER THERE. (Laughing)
Leo: YEAH, YEAH, RIGHT. I WAS BANGING ROCKS TOGETHER, GOING, "UH, UH!" SO I MEAN IT JUST SHOWS YOU --
Kate: IT'S CRAZY.
Leo: AND YOU REALLY HAVE TO WONDER WHEN KIDS LIKE OWEN GET TO BE -- I WAS GONNA SAY "OUR AGE." HA-HA!
Kate: (Laughing)
Leo: YOUR AGE. WHAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR SKILLS WILL BE, BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE GROWN UP WITH THIS STUFF. THEY'LL BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT. IT'S JUST REALLY QUITE AN AMAZING THING TO WATCH.
Kate: ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
Leo: YEAH, IT'S REALLY EXCITING. WE WERE TALKING A LITTLE EARLIER ABOUT SUPERDUPER. RICK YAEGER SHOWED US THIS GREAT BACKUP PROGRAM, AND SEAN CARRUTHERS TELLS ME THAT SUPERDUPER SAVED HIS BACON.
Sean: YEAH, IT SAVED ME A FEW TIMES ON BACKUP. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO BOOT FROM AN EXTERNAL DRIVE ON MY NOTEBOOK WHEN MY NOTEBOOK HAS GONE BAD. BUT JUST RECENTLY I MOVED TO VANCOUVER FROM TORONTO --
Leo: UH-HUH?
Sean: AND I HAD A MAC TOWER BACK HOME, AND I WANTED TO GET ONE GOING HERE BECAUSE I'VE JUST BOUGHT ONE HERE.
Leo: RIGHT.
Sean: BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAG THE ENTIRE OLD TOWER ONTO THE PLANE SO I COULD GET ALL MY DATA, SO I JUST USED THE SUPERDUPER.
Leo: YOU SUPERDUPERED IT TO AN EXTERNAL DRIVE.
Sean: SUPERDUPERED IT TO AN EXTERNAL FIREWIRE DRIVE AND THEN USED THIS FIREWIRE DRIVE AS MY "OLD COMPUTER" ON THE NEW ONE WHEN I DID THE INITIAL SET-UP.
Leo: AND RESTORED IT. WOW! AND IT'S THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE.
Sean: YEAH, IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME.
Leo: AND YOU CAN BOOT TO THAT EXTERNAL DRIVE, TOO.
Sean: AND YOU CAN BOOT TO THIS. YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT TO BOOT TO THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, ACROSS, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE G5 AND THE NEW INTEL PROCESSOR, BUT --
Leo: AH, THAT IS SOMETHING WHICH WE SHOULD HAVE POINTED OUT. IF YOU'RE BACKING UP AN OPERATING SYSTEM FROM THE OLD POWER PC TO THE NEW INTEL, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
Sean: NO.
Leo: YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.
Sean: YOU CAN USE IT TO TRANSFER YOUR FILES AND SETTINGS AND APPLICATIONS, BUT NOT THE ACTUAL OPERATING SYSTEM ITSELF.
Leo: RIGHT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT FIREWIRE AND THE WAY THE MAC HANDLES THAT. YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE PROBLEM WE HAD EARLIER WITH THE CALLER WHO, I THINK, REMOVED THE USB DRIVE BEFORE IT HAD FINISHED WRITING OUT. YOU'RE GONNA -- THAT'S AN ISSUE. IN FACT, THE MAC COMPLAINS WHEN YOU DO THAT.
Sean: YES.
Leo: ALTHOUGH ALEX LINDSAY -- YOU KNOW HOW IT SAYS, "YOU'VE PULLED IT OUT BEFORE IT'S DONE?" AND ALEX LINDSAY SAYS, "AH, WE JUST DO THAT ANYWAY." AND, YOU SEE, I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT. I WOULD WAIT.
Kate: OKAY. (Laughing)
Leo: I WOULD EJECT THEM AND THEN DISCONNECT THE DRIVE. HEY, DON'T DISCONNECT FROM US. [Pop captions up]
Leo: WE'RE ABOUT TO GO, BUT I DO WANT TO REMIND YOU YOU CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE ANYTIME YOU WANT, thelabwithleo.com. WE'VE GOT, OF COURSE, ALL THE INFORMATION WE TALK ABOUT, INCLUDING LINKS, AND WE'RE GONNA START PUTTING CLIPS UP THERE, AREN'T WE, SEAN? [Pop captions down]
Leo: IS THAT THE NEXT STAGE? THERE'S SOME CLIPS OF THE SHOW ALREADY UP THERE. WE'RE SLOWLY BUILDING IT UP TO BE MORE AND MORE OF A MULTIMEDIA SITE. [Pop captions up]
Leo: IT TAKES A LITTLE TIME, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, AND -- (Theme music playing) (Distant laughter)
Leo: I GUESS HE WANTS TO GO HOME EARLY.
Kate: (Laughing)
Leo: WE'D BETTER GET OUTTA HERE BECAUSE THE STAFF IS ACTUALLY LEAVING NOW. SO GO TO "THE LAB WITH LEO." FILL OUT THE FORM. ASK YOUR QUESTION. KATE WILL CALL YOU, AND WE'LL GET YOU ON THE SHOW BECAUSE WE COULDN'T DO THIS SHOW WITHOUT YOU. I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I HOPE YOU'LL COME BACK NEXT TIME. [Pop captions down]
Leo: I'M LEO LAPORTE. WE'LL SEE YOU LATER ON THE LAB. [MUSIC] [Pop captions up] CLOSED CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY: BROADCAST CAPTIONING & CONSULTING SERVICES INC. www.closedcaptioning.com [Pop captions down] (Dramatic sound effects, coins clinking) (Rogers theme plays)