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Paul Garay: HI, THIS IS PAUL GARAY FROM INSIDE HOME RECORDING. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED TO SET UP A COOL RECORDING STUDIO IN YOUR HOME ON THE LAB. [Pop Captions Down] [Playing Theme Music] [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: WELL HELLO THERE, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANKS FOR JOINING US. I'M HAVING A LITTLE CUP OF COFFEE. WHY DON'T YOU POUR YOURSELF ONE, AND SIT DOWN, BECAUSE THE NEXT HOUR WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT TECHNOLOGY. [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: HOW TO USE IT, HOW TO CHOOSE IT, HOW TO ABUSE IT -- OH, WE TALK ABOUT THAT, AND HOW TO LOSE IT WHEN YOU'RE DONE. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, KATE ABRAHAM.
Kate Abraham: HEY...
Leo Laporte: MY WONDERFUL, TALENTED, FRIENDLY CLIP BOARD MANAGER.
Kate Abraham: THERE YOU GO, EPISODE 18.
Leo Laporte: THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT HERE. SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING BACK IN TIME, A LITTLE BIT.
Kate Abraham: THE NUMBERS JUST AREN'T IN ORDER.
Leo Laporte: WE HAD DONE 500 CALL FOR HELPS. WAS IT 500? 450, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 450 CALL FOR HELP EPISODES, AND THEN THEY RESET THE COUNTER. I SAID, WHY CAN'T WE-- BUT THEY SAID, NO, IT'S A NEW SHOW, NEW NAME...
Kate Abraham: SO WE'RE JUST NOWHERE NEAR RIGHT NOW ARE WE?
Leo Laporte: SO EPISODE 18. OH JUST WAIT, YOU'LL LOOK LIKE ME BY THE TIME YOU GET 450 SHOWS DONE. ISN'T THAT A CRUEL AND MEAN THING TO SAY? I USED TO LOOK JUST LIKE HER.
Kate Abraham: [Laughing]
Leo Laporte: AND THAT'S A CRUEL AND MEAN THING TO SAY. PAUL GARAY IS HERE, AS YOU SAW. HE'S FROM THE INSIDE HOME RECORDING PODCAST, A GREAT LITTLE PODCAST AND HE'S GOING TO SHOW US HOW HE RECORDS, NOT JUST-- HE'S A MUSIC PRODUCER, TOO, NOT JUST VOICE, BUT ALSO MUSIC. AND DEE ANN LeBLANC, OUR LINUX EXPERT IS BACK WITH A DEMONSTRATION OF PROBABLY THE ULTIMATE GRAPHICS TOOL FOR LINUX. EVERY BIT AS GOOD AS PHOTOSHOP, AND ABSOLUTELY FREE. YES, FREE. DID I SAY LINUX? MAC AND WINDOWS, TOO. SO THAT'S ALL COMING UP, BUT FIRST, THE CALLS ARE WHAT WE CARE MOST ABOUT.
Kate Abraham: YEAH, AND I ALSO CARE A LOT ABOUT BACKUP CALLERS AS WELL.
Leo Laporte: THIS IS A BACKUP CALLER?
Kate Abraham: YES.
Leo Laporte: CAME IN AT THE LAST MOMENT.
Kate Abraham: YEAH, WHAT HAPPENS IS IF CALLERS DROP OUT OF THE SHOW FOR ANY REASON, IF THEY'RE UNAVAILABLE, THEN WE CALL OUR BACKUPS. AND WHEN I BOOK BACKUPS, THEY'RE ALWAYS A BIT LIKE, OOH, BACKUP...
Leo Laporte: I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO GET CALLED. IT'S KIND OF LIKE BEING THE FIRST RUNNER UP IN MISS AMERICA.
Kate Abraham: YEAH-- YEAH.
Leo Laporte: SO MISS AMERICA BASICALLY STUMBLED AND FALLEN AND NOW --
Kate Abraham: YOU'RE THERE.
Leo Laporte: IS IT JEFF?
Kate Abraham: YEAH.
Leo Laporte: JEFF IS GOING TO STEP RIGHT IN AND HE'S GOING TO WEAR THE CROWN.
Kate Abraham: YEAH, BUT HONESTLY, JEFF HAS BEEN GREAT, HE'S GOT HIS SKYPE UP AND RUNNING, AND LITERALLY HE'S HAD ABOUT 5 MINUTES PREP.
Leo Laporte: WELL I HOPE I HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR HIM AFTER ALL THAT.
Kate Abraham: BUT JEFF IS FROM SPRINGHILL IN TENNESSEE.
Leo Laporte: TENNESSEE, HELLO, JEFF, HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU, KATE.
Jeff: HEY, LEO, HOW ARE YOU?
Leo Laporte: THANK YOU FOR STEPPING INTO THE BREACH AS FIRST RUNNER UP, YOUR DUTIES WILL BE TO TAKE OVER SHOULD THE ORIGINAL CALLER FAIL. AND APPARENTLY THE ORIGINAL CALLER HAS FAILED IN SOME OBSCURE WAY. BUT IT'S GREAT TO TALK TO YOU.
Jeff: GREAT TO TALK TO YOU.
Leo Laporte: LOOKS LIKE A NICE DAY IN TENNESSEE.
Jeff: YEAH, IT'S BEEN A GOOD DAY.
Leo Laporte: I CAN'T BELIEVE THE SUN IS STILL OUT.
Jeff: YEAH, WE GOT SUN SHINING TODAY, AND IT'S ALMOST 70 TODAY.
Leo Laporte: WOW, I GUESS IT'S SUMMERTIME NOW. I MEAN IT REALLY IS. WE'VE GOT LATE EVENINGS. I THINK THERE'S NOTHING NICER THAN A WARM SUMMER EVENING, IT'S NOT QUITE DARK YET AND EVERYBODY'S OUT AND ABOUT. I JUST LOVE THAT FEELING. AND I BET YOU GET THAT.
Jeff: EVERYBODY WALKS AROUND THE NEIGHBOURHOOD.
Leo Laporte: YEAH, ARE YOU IN A KIND OF SMALL TOWN?
Jeff: YEAH, SPRINGHILL IS A SMALL TOWN, SOUTH OF NASHVILLE. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: I LOVE TENNESSEE, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL STATE. WELL WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU, JEFF?
Jeff: REGARDING RECORDING FOR A NETCAST THAT I DO. [Pop Captions Down]
Jeff: I DO A LITTLE WEEKLY NETCAST, AND IT'S REALLY INTENDED JUST FOR MY COMPANY, IT'S AN INTERNAL THING.
Leo Laporte: JEFF, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CALLING IT A NETCAST.
Jeff: YOU'RE QUITE WELCOME. WELL I GOT THAT FROM YOU. I'M A BIG FAN OF ALL YOUR NETCASTS.
Leo Laporte: IT'S OKAY TO CALL THEM A PODCAST, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT A PODCAST IS. I'M JUST AFRAID THAT PEOPLE THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN iPOD, SO I USE THE WORD NETCAST, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ALONE. NBC AND CBS NOW ARE USING THE NETCAST TERM, TOO, SO MAYBE WE'VE GOT SOME ALLIES ON OUR SIDE, AND OF COURSE JEFF. SO IT'S AN INTERNAL THING FOR YOUR COMPANY?
Jeff: YEAH, IT'S JUST TO SPREAD INFORMATION ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON INSIDE OF MY COMPANY. OUR COMPANY [Inaudible] ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
Leo Laporte: THAT'S SUCH A GREAT IDEA.
Jeff: AND I JUST KIND OF LET THE OTHER OFFICES KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AMONGST THE OTHER OFFICES.
Leo Laporte: RIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN YOU SEND OUT -- YOU COULD SEND OUT A MEMOS OR E- MAIL, BUT PEOPLE DON'T READ THAT, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A PODCAST, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THERE FOR THE SALES STAFF AND THEY'RE IN THEIR CAR, WHAT A GREAT WAY TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE, AND MAKE IT KIND OF FUN. WELL THAT'S COOL, I'M GLAD YOU'RE USING THAT TECHNOLOGY. WELL HOW CAN I HELP YOU DO IT?
Jeff: WELL MY QUESTION IS, I'VE RECENTLY SWITCHED TO A VISTA SYSTEM, AND I WAS USING HOT RECORD TO RECORD MY SKYPE CONVERSATIONS.
Leo Laporte: RIGHT.
Jeff: AND HOT RECORD DOES NOT WORK UNDER VISTA.
Leo Laporte: REALLY?
Jeff: AS SOON AS I FIRE IT UP, SKYPE CRASHES.
Leo Laporte: YOU KNOW, I NEVER MUCH LIKED HOT RECORDER ANYWAY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I NEVER GOT VERY GOOD RESULTS WITH THAT.
Jeff: WELL I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I TRIED [Inaudible] AND I'VE BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTED ON THE QUALITY OF IT. [Pop Captions Up]
Jeff: I USE UM... I USED THE AUDACITY PROGRAM AS MY EDITOR AND I CAN RECORD ON THAT, BUT MY PROBLEM THERE IS--
Leo Laporte: YOU ONLY GET HALF OF IT.
Jeff: SEPARATING THE CALLER AND ME ON THE DIFFERENT CHANNELS.
Leo Laporte: RIGHT, YOU ONLY GET HALF THE CALL, REALLY.
Jeff: YEAH. SO IT'S HARD TO EDIT.
Leo Laporte: WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I DO FOR ALL MY NETCASTS, AND WE DO IT ALL ON SKYPE, IS OF COURSE, I SPENT SOME MONEY, I'VE GOT AN EXPENSIVE MIXING BOARD, AND I PIPE MY VOICE THROUGH THE MIXING BOARD AND RECORD IT SEPARATELY AND THEN PIPE IT INTO SKYPE AND RECORD THEIR VOICE SEPARATELY, AND THAT YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, BUT IT'S EXPENSIVE. AND IF YOU CAN'T GET THE COMPANY TO SPRING FOR IT -- NOW I HAVEN'T TRIED THIS YET, BUT I'VE HEARD VERY GOOD REPORTS OF IT, AND I'M VERY INTERESTED IN HOW IT WORKS. IT'S CALLED PAMELA. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PAMELA?
Jeff: NO.
Leo Laporte: PAMELA SYSTEMS -- pamela-systems.com. AND THEY HAVE REALLY-- I THINK THEY HAVE JUMPED INTO THE BREACH HERE TO SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR SKYPE USERS. IT'S CALLED PAMELA FOR SKYPE, AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST A RECORDER, IT'S A PERSONAL DIGITAL ASSISTANT FOR SKYPE. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: YEAH, THE VERY FIRST THING YOU GET IS CALL RECORDING, BUT IT ALSO DOES CALL TRANSFER, VIDEO RECORDING, IT HAS A-- I DON'T KNOW WHAT A RICH MOOD EDITOR IS, BUT I'M THINKING IT'S THOSE LITTLE MOOD MESSAGES THAT YOU HAVE SO YOU CAN PUT A LITTLE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THOSE. [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: IT EVEN DOES AN ANSWERING MACHINE, VIDEO MAIL, IT-- BIRTHDAY REMINDERS... LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF IN HERE, AND HERE'S THE COOL THING, IT'S FREE. WELL IT'S FREE FOR LIMITED USE. NOW YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO PAY FOR IT, BECAUSE THE FREE TRIAL OF PAMELA ONLY RECORDS 15 MINUTES. SO IF YOU WANT TO RECORD MORE, YOU'LL HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE. IT'S 25 BUCKS, BIG DEAL, FOR UNLIMITED RECORDING.
Jeff: THERE YOU GO.
Leo Laporte: AND PAMELA IS NEAT BECAUSE IT INTEGRATES RIGHT INTO SKYPE. YOU KNOW, WITH SOUND RECORDER, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO RUN IT SEPARATELY AND SO FORTH. I'VE GOT PAMELA RUNNING RIGHT NOW ON SKYPE, I'M ON MY SKYPE THING, AND YOU CAN SEE, PAMELA FOR SKYPE IS ACTUALLY RUNNING AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF LITTLE THINGS. I CAN SAY WHERE THE RECORDINGS GO, IT RECORDS IN MP3, SO I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT KIND OF QUALITY YOU GET FROM IT, BUT YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN EVEN MIX HOW THE MICROPHONE AND THE CALLER ARE MIXED TOGETHER ON THIS THING, THE SOUND LEVEL ADJUSTMENT. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY INTERESTING PROGRAM.
Jeff: SOUNDS LIKE THIS COULD BE A GREAT ANSWER.
Leo Laporte: YEAH, IN FACT I'M GOING TO INSTALL IT ON SKYPE, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T NEED THE RECORD FEATURE, JUST BECAUSE I WANT SOME OF THESE OTHER FEATURES. I MEAN, SO THIS HAS NOW KIND OF MODIFIED MY-- I'M STILL RUNNING SKYPE, BUT NOW I'M RUNNING PAMELA HERE. SO IT INTEGRATES VERY NICELY IN. CUSTOM RECORDINGS AS WELL, FOR YOUR VOICE MAIL. I MEAN I THINK THIS IS A VERY SLICK LITTLE PROGRAM. SO PAMELA -- THERE ARE SOME OTHERS, AND I'LL PUT THOSE IN THE SHOW NOTES, THAT CLAIM TO WORK WITH VISTA, BUT ALL OF THEM ARE LIKE HOT RECORDER, KIND OF CLUGEY AND KIND OF UNIMPRESSIVE. pamela-systems.com. I HAVE HEARD VERY GOOD REPORTS, OR I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT. AND THEY HAVE A VERY ACTIVE COMMUNITY AS WELL, SO IF YOU WANT TO GET HELP, YOU SEE THEY HAVE A FORUM, A MESSAGE BOARD WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT, AND THE CALL RECORDER HAS IN FACT, GOT ITS OWN SECTION IN HERE. SO GIVE IT A TRY, AND THEN WOULD YOU LET ME KNOW, JEFF, HOW IT WORKS FOR YOU?
Jeff: I'LL GO IT.
Leo Laporte: I'M GOING TO MAKE YOU MY GUINEA PIG.
Jeff: ALL RIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD. I LOOK FORWARD TO TRYING IT OUT AND THEN--
Leo Laporte: YEAH.
Jeff: AND IF IT'S FREE, IT MEANS I CAN TRY IT OUT.
Leo Laporte: I LIKE THAT PART, RIGHT. YOU CAN ONLY RECORD FOR 15 MINUTES, BUT MAYBE THAT'S ENOUGH, I DON'T KNOW. AND IT CERTAINLY GIVES YOU A TASTE OF HOW IT WORKS.
Jeff: WELL I LIKE TO KEEP MY PODCASTS SHORT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY THINK I'M THAT GOOD YET, AND PEOPLE GET BORED QUICKLY, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY RUN LONGER THAN THAT.
Leo Laporte: YOU'RE A WISE MAN. SOMEBODY TOLD ME TO KEEP MY PODCASTS SHORT, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IT YET, I DON'T KNOW, I'M WORKING ON IT.
Jeff: THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING DICK WOULD SAY.
Leo Laporte: EXACTLY. [Laughing] THAT'S WHAT DICK TELLS ME. SOME DAY THIS PODCAST WILL BE OVER, MAYBE TOMORROW. HEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH, JEFF, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR CALL.
Jeff: THANK YOU, LEO.
Leo Laporte: YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT FIRST RUNNER UP. HAVE A GREAT DAY. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: WHEN WE COME BACK -- I SHOULD HAVE ASKED PAUL GARAY THIS, BECAUSE HE IS THE KING OF INSIDE HOME RECORDING, THAT'S HIS PODCAST AND HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT SETTING UP YOUR OWN HOME RECORDING STUDIO IN CASE YOU'D LIKE TO BECOME A RECORDING ARTIST OF YOUR VERY OWN. WE'RE GOING TO TURN YOU INTO PRINCE WITH PAUL, RIGHT AFTER THIS, YOU STAY RIGHT HERE. [Playing Theme Music] [Pop Captions Down] [Commercial] [Playing Theme Music]
Leo Laporte: WELCOME BACK TO THE LAB WITH LEO. LOOK AT ALL THESE TOYS WE'VE GOT HERE. PAUL GARAY IS A MUSICIAN, I HEARD YOU PLAYING A LITTLE EARLIER.
Paul Garay: A LITTLE.
Leo Laporte: A MUSIC PRODUCER AND THE CREATOR OF THE INSIDE HOME RECORDING IHR PODCAST, WHICH IS A GREAT PODCAST. insidehomerecording.com. WITH MY BUDDY DEREK K. MILLER WHO IS PART OF YOUR TEAM, YEAH?
Paul Garay: PART OF THE TEAM, YEAH.
Leo Laporte: DEREK DID THE THEME -- DOES, HE'S ANOTHER GREAT MUSICIAN.
Paul Garay: AWESOME, YEAH.
Leo Laporte: DID THE THEME THAT I USE -- THAT HE VERY KINDLY ALLOWED ME TO USE THE THEME THAT I USE FOR WINDOWS WEEKLY, OUR PODCAST.
Paul Garay: OH REALLY?
Leo Laporte: SO IT'S A FAMILY AFFAIR HERE. BUT YOU AND I HAVE NEVER MET, I HAVE NOTHING UP MY SLEEVES. OH SORRY, THAT'S ANOTHER SHOW I DO. LOOK AT ALL THE TOYS YOU BROUGHT HERE. NOW IS THIS HOME RECORDING FOR A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN, SOMEBODY WHO JUST WANTS TO GET INTO IT -- WHO IS THIS FOR?
Paul Garay: EVERYBODY, IT'S REALLY FOR EVERYBODY.
Leo Laporte: ANYBODY. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: SO EVEN A PRO, EVEN JOHN MAYER WOULD SAY, THIS IS GREAT.
Paul Garay: HE PROBABLY OWNS HALF OF THIS STUFF.
Leo Laporte: I BET YOU'RE RIGHT, ACTUALLY, YEAH.
Paul Garay: AND I'VE BEEN PLAYING FOR -- KEYBOARDS I'VE BEEN PLAYING FOR ALMOST 35 YEAR, AND I'M QUITE COMFORTABLE ON ALL THESE DIFFERENT KEYBOARDS. [Pop Captions Down]
Paul Garay: OBVIOUSLY I LIKE THE FEEL OF A PIANO, AND YOU CAN GET THESE KEYBOARDS IN A PIANO FEEL IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
Leo Laporte: FOR A LOT MORE MONEY.
Paul Garay: WELL YOU KNOW, WHAT'S FUNNY IS, M-AUDIO, THEY KIND OF BROKE THE PRICE BARRIER AND INTRODUCED A WEIGHTED KEYBOARD FOR UNDER $500. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: REALLY, WOW.
Paul Garay: AND IT FEELS LIKE A PIANO.
Leo Laporte: BUT THE SOUNDS ARE NOT BEING CREATED BY PLUCKED STRINGS, THEY'RE BEING CREATED ELECTRONICALLY, DIGITALLY.
Paul Garay: THEY ARE, AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S FUNNY IS THAT YOU KNOW, 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO, ALL THE SOUNDS WERE ORIGINATING IN THE KEYBOARDS, BUT NOW THEY'RE ALL BEING ORIGINATED IN SOFT SYNTHESIZERS THAT ARE IN YOUR COMPUTER. [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: SO THE COMPUTER IS DOING ALL THE WORK.
Paul Garay: EXACTLY.
Leo Laporte: SO THIS IS REALLY KIND OF A FANCY JOY STICK.
Terry: OR IT'S LIKE THE KEYBOARD TO YOUR CPU.
Leo Laporte: IT'S A CONTROLLER INSTEAD OF A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT.
Paul Garay: EXACTLY, EXACTLY.
Leo Laporte: IN FACT THAT'S WHAT THEY KIND OF CALL THEM IS MIDI CONTROLLERS, RIGHT?
Paul Garay: YEAH, SO I BROUGHT TWO DIFFERENT ONES. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS ONE HERE IS THAT IT WORKS WITH USB.
Leo Laporte: REALLY.
Paul Garay: AND IT CAN BE POWERED THROUGH USB. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S NO POWER ADAPTER, IT'S JUST A USB CABLE.
Leo Laporte: NO PLUG, YEAH.
Paul Garay: INTO A MAC OR PC.
Leo Laporte: YEAH.
Paul Garay: IT'S ACTUALLY CORE COMPLIANT, YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A DRIVER. IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT JUST WORKS.
Leo Laporte: IT JUST WORKS AUTOMATICALLY.
Paul Garay: IT JUST WORKS.
Leo Laporte: NOW OF COURSE IT DOESN'T HAVE 88 KEYS.
Paul Garay: NO, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE, IS YOU HAVE A TRANSPOSE BUTTON SO YOU CAN GO UP AN OCTAVE, OR THREE OCTAVES, AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY COVER MORE THAN 88 KEYS IF YOU'RE SOME SORT OF A COMPOSITIONAL FREAKOZOID.
Leo Laporte: YOU CAN ONLY PLAY IT ON THIS KEYBOARD.
Paul Garay: YEAH, AND WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS ONE, I TAKE THIS ONE WITH ME WHEN I'M TRAVELLING, BECAUSE IT'S GOT THESE PADS AND--
Leo Laporte: WHAT ARE THOSE FOR?
Paul Garay: THEY'RE NOT MINIATURE COFFEE WARMERS, ALTHOUGH YOU'D THINK THEY ARE. [Pop Captions Up]
Paul Garay: YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE THEM TO TRIGGER SOUND EFFECTS, OR YOU CAN PLAY PERCUSSION ON THEM. THEY'RE TOUCH SENSITIVE--
Leo Laporte: AND SO THIS COULD BE A DRUM KIT.
Paul Garay: YEAH.
Leo Laporte: WOW, WOW.
Paul Garay: YOU COULD DO THE FINGER-- YOU KNOW, THING. [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: BUT THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THESE THINGS. THEY CAN MAKE PIANO SOUNDS, BUT THEY CAN MAKE ANY SOUND, RIGHT? YOU CAN ATTACH ANYTHING TO ANY KEY.
Paul Garay: YEAH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN RADIO USE THEM TO TRIGGER SOUND EFFECTS.
Leo Laporte: YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE DO THAT, YEAH. SO HOW MUCH IS THIS LITTLE ONE? THIS IS THE AXIOM 25.
Paul Garay: THAT SELLS FOR AROUND $200.
Leo Laporte: VERY AFFORDABLE.
Paul Garay: YEAH, AND YOU CAN GET THEM IN DIFFERENT LENGTHS, TOO. THERE'S A 49 AND THERE'S A 61, IF YOU WANT MORE COVERAGE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO PLAY WITH TWO HANDS INSTEAD OF ONE.
Leo Laporte: I BOUGHT AN EDEROL KEYBOARD, SAME IDEA. ROLAND MAKES THEM, IT'S A MIDI CONTROLLER.
Paul Garay: YEAH.
Leo Laporte: AND IT'S THE SAME IDEA, TOO, YOU CAN CHOOSE HOW MANY KEYS YOU WANT.
Paul Garay: EXACTLY, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IS THE HYBRID OZONIC IN THEIR LINE. NOW THIS--
Leo Laporte: THIS IS ALSO M- AUDIO.
Paul Garay: IT'S AN M-AUDIO KEYBOARD, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S REALLY COOL ABOUT THIS IS, BEFORE THIS THING CAME OUT, I WOULD CARRY ONE OF THESE TO PROGRAM MY MIDI, YOU KNOW, MY KEYBOARDS AND STUFF, AND I WOULD CARRY AN AUDIO INTERFACE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS ONE HERE.
Leo Laporte: YOU NEED BOTH?
Paul Garay: TO PLUG MY MICROPHONES IN.
Leo Laporte: SO YOU COULD SING.
Paul Garay: SO I COULD SING OR PLAY GUITAR, WELL THE COOL THINK ABOUT THE OZONIC, IS THAT IT'S A HYBRID, IT'S A MIDI KEYBOARD, IT'S FIREWIRE INSTEAD OF USB, AND WE KNOW THE TRANSFER RATE FOR AUDIO IS A LOT QUICKER, SO THEY DECIDED TO PUT A MIC PRE-AMP IN IT, ALLOW YOU TO PLUG YOUR GUITAR INTO IT--
Leo Laporte: YOU'RE KIDDING? SO THIS COULD BE YOUR WHOLE BAND COULD RECORD THROUGH THIS THING.
Paul Garay: TOTALLY.
Leo Laporte: IT'S NOT A MIXER THOUGH. [Pop Captions Up]
Paul Garay: IT'S UH... WELL YOU KNOW, FUNNILY ENOUGH--
Leo Laporte: IT CAN EVEN MIX?
Paul Garay: YOU COULD CALL IT A MIXING SURFACE BECAUSE IT HAS SOME SLIDERS HERE THAT YOU COULD DEDICATE TO A MIXER.
Leo Laporte: ISN'T THAT FUNNY -- WOW, THIS IS PRETTY FANCY.
Paul Garay: IT'S GREAT.
Leo Laporte: AND IT'S EVEN GOT A JOY STICK.
Paul Garay: IT'S GOT A JOY STICK.
Leo Laporte: WHAT DOES THAT DO? WHOOO-- WHOOO... DOES THAT GO AROUND THE ROOM?
Paul Garay: WELL WE WON'T GO THERE.
Leo Laporte: OKAY. [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: [Laughing] IS THAT FOR QUADROPHONIC?
Paul Garay: YEAH, YOU CAN ASSIGN THAT TO AN XY CONTROLLER, OR SURROUND CONTROLLER.
Leo Laporte: SO REALLY THESE ARE ALL SOFT CONTROLLERS IN THE SENSE THAT THEY COULD DO ANYTHING. YOU TELL THE COMPUTER WHAT THAT MEANS, IN EFFECT.
Paul Garay: EXACTLY, EXACTLY.
Leo Laporte: OKAY. AND IT'S GOT A LOT OF KNOBS AND BUTTONS AND DIALS, WOW.
Paul Garay: AND YOU KNOW I CAN BE IN MY HOTEL ROOM AND I CAN BE DOING A PODCAST, WITH A BEAUTIFUL CONDENSER, STUDIO CONDENSER MIC LIKE I HAVE HERE, WITH PHANTOM POWER PLUGGED RIGHT INTO THE BACK. I COULD BE RECORDING SOME VOCALS, SOME ACOUSTIC GUITARS...
Leo Laporte: THAT'S REALLY NEAT.
Paul Garay: I CAN PLUG IN MY ELECTRIC GUITAR AND THEN GO INTO ANY MAC OR PC, LIKE DIGITAL AUDIO WORK STATION, SOFTWARE, LIKE PRO-TOOLS OR--
Leo Laporte: HOW MUCH DOES THIS COST?
Paul Garay: IT'S ABOUT $600.
Leo Laporte: SO A LITTLE PRICEY, BUT BOY, IF YOU WANT FLEXIBILITY.
Paul Garay: THE PRICE OF A KEYBOARD AND AN INTERFACE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO CARRY ALL THIS STUFF.
Leo Laporte: NOW YOU SAID IT WORKS WITH ANY DAW COMPLIANT PROGRAM. WHAT PROGRAM DO YOU LIKE TO USE WHEN YOU'RE COMPOSING OR WORKING WITH THIS KIND OF STUFF?
Paul Garay: WELL I USE A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, FOR SOMEBODY GETTING INTO RECORDING AT HOME, WHO JUST WANTS TO RECORD MUSIC, YOU KNOW, SOME PIANO AND SOME DRUMS, AND JUST WANTS TO MAKE SOME BEATS. I'M A HUGE FAN OF PROPELLER HEAD'S REASON SOFTWARE.
Leo Laporte: OH, ISN'T THAT COOL SOFTWARE?
Paul Garay: YEAH.
Leo Laporte: YOU KNOW WHAT, THOUGH? MY DAUGHTER WAS REALLY INTO THIS STUFF, RIGHT, AND REASON HAD A TRIAL VERSION, SHE DOWNLOADED IT, SHE PLAYED WITH IT, SHE LIKED IT. REASON LOOKS LIKE REAL STUFF, AND SHE REALLY ENJOYED IT, SO I WENT OUT AND I BOUGHT HER THE EDEROL KEYBOARD AND THE FULL REASON -- I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY, AND THEN APPLE COMES OUT WITH GARAGE BAND, AND SHE LIKES IT BETTER BECAUSE IT'S EASIER.
Paul Garay: IT IS. YEAH, AND OF COURSE GARAGE BAND HAS THE OPTION OF RECORDING REAL AUDIO INTO THE PROGRAM, UNLIKE, YOU KNOW, REASON DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.
Leo Laporte: SO IT'S A LOOP MANAGER. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE MACS WILL HAVE A PROGRAM THAT'S REALLY A PRETTY GOOD PLACE TO START.
Paul Garay: FOR SURE.
Leo Laporte: CAN YOU INTERFACE THIS STUFF INTO GARAGE BAND AS WELL?
Paul Garay: YOU CAN, YEAH, IT WORKS JUST RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX.
Leo Laporte: SHOW US REASON. REASON'S COOL, REASON IS SO COOL.
Paul Garay: REASON IS A WONDERFUL TOOL FOR CREATING BEATS. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN THIS, NOW THAT I HAVE THE KEYBOARD AND REASON, IT'S GOING TO BE ME.
Paul Garay: EXACTLY. WELL YOU CAN SEE THE INTERFACE HERE, IT MODELS LIKE A RACK, LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE IN YOUR STUDIO WITH DIFFERENT DEVICES, [Pop Captions Down]
Paul Garay: AND YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT YOUR MIXER HERE, AND DOWN BELOW THAT WE'VE GOT SOME EFFECTS, AND WE'VE GOT SOME SYNTHESIZERS. HERE'S A SUBTRACTOR SYNTHESIZER, WHICH IS MODELLING AN OLD SCHOOL ANALOG SYNTHESIZER AND THEN IF I FLIP THIS UP HERE, I CAN CHOOSE ANY ONE OF THESE TRACKS, AND I CAN GO IN AND PLAY THE DIFFERENT, THE DIFFERENT SOUNDS.
Leo Laporte: DID I SCREW IT UP? DID I UNPLUG IT OR ANYTHING, IS IT STILL--
Paul Garay: ON NO, THAT'S FINE.
Leo Laporte: OKAY. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HEARING ANYTHING. OH, YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE AUDIO PLUGGED IN. SHOULD I PLUG THE AUDIO INTO THIS? OH WELL, WE WON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. I'LL HUM.
Paul Garay: NO, I'LL SHOW YOU SOMETHING THAT'S EVEN BETTER.
Leo Laporte: OH, YOU KNOW WHY, WE'VE GOT IT PLUGGED INTO THIS.
Paul Garay: AH... WE CAN HIT THE TAB KEY AND WE CAN FLIP THIS AROUND.
Leo Laporte: OH I LOVE THOSE WIRES BOUNCING.
Paul Garay: ISN'T THAT GREAT? LET'S DO THAT AGAIN.
Leo Laporte: THAT'S FUN. THAT'S ACTUALLY WHY I SPENT $600 ON REASON, IS THAT THING. BUT YOU KNOW, I USED TO TEACH SYNTHESIS AND WE USED TO ACTUALLY TEACH WITH THIS PROGRAM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF CLIMBING AROUND WITH A FLASHLIGHT IN YOUR MOUTH AND TRYING TO HOOK THINGS, UP, YOU CAN ACTUALLY CREATE A CONNECTION JUST BY YOU KNOW, USING THIS MENU, OR YOU CAN CLICK AND DRAG A CABLE--
Leo Laporte: LOOK AT THAT.
Paul Garay: AND PLUG IT INTO ANYTHING.
Leo Laporte: JUST PATCH IT THROUGH.
Paul Garay: YEAH, JUST PATCH IT THROUGH.
Leo Laporte: WELL I HAVE TO SAY, YOU MIGHT NEED A DEGREE IN SYNTHESIS TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROGRAM, RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S PRETTY TOUGH.
Paul Garay: WELL YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY YOU SAY THAT, BECAUSE A LOT OF ENTRY LEVEL USERS, RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX CAN START MAKING BEATS. I HAD MY NEIGHBOUR MAKING BEATS, AND YOU KNOW, HE'S LIKE A MOLECULAR BIOLOGY INSTRUCTOR.
Leo Laporte: WELL ABBY WAS DOING IT WHEN SHE WAS 12. YEAH, SO THERE YOU GO.
Paul Garay: AND HE'S NOT INTO MUSIC BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO TO THOSE SUB NUCLEAR LEVELS, ALL THESE PROGRAMS WILL PRETTY MUCH LET YOU DO THAT. YOU CAN GET IN AND TWEAK, AND--
Leo Laporte: SO THEY'VE GOT A SIMPLE TO USE INTERFACE, BUT THEY'RE VERY DEEP IN THE LONG RUN. SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. YEAH, SO WHATEVER YOUR LEVEL IS OF EXPERTISE.
Leo Laporte: CAN YOU PLAY A LITTLE MUSIC FOR US? JUST SHOW US HOW YOU WOULD USE REASON AND THIS KEYBOARD TO MAKE SOME PHAT JAMS.
Paul Garay: SURE, SO LET'S OPEN UP A NEW--
Leo Laporte: I'M WITH THE KIDS, I'M ONE OF THE KIDS NOW, YEAH.
Paul Garay: OKAY SO HERE WE HAVE AN EMPTY RACK.
Leo Laporte: SO YOU SAID THIS DOESN'T RECORD THOUGH.
Paul Garay: WELL IT RECORDS MIDI. IT RECORDS WHAT I'M PLAYING ON A USB OR A FIREWIRE MIDI KEYBOARD.
Leo Laporte: OKAY. BUT NOT A REAL INSTRUMENT, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
Paul Garay: BUT NOT A REAL INSTRUMENT, NOT A FLUTE OR A GUITAR OR A SITAR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
Leo Laporte: BUT YOU COULD SOUND LIKE ANY OF THOSE.
Paul Garay: YOU SURE COULD, YEAH. SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO IN AND CREATE A LITTLE MIXING BOARD. YOU CAN SEE I'VE GOT A LITTLE MIXING BOARD, AND WHAT I REALLY LIKE IS THAT WHEN I CREATE A DEVICE, IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY PATCH IT IN. SO I CAN CREATE A SAMPLER, WHICH ALLOWS ME TO PLAY REAL SOUNDS, AND JUST LOAD UP A SOUND OF MAYBE A GRAND PIANO.
Leo Laporte: THIS IS SUCH A DEEP PROGRAM, IT'S AMAZING. THESE GUYS ARE FROM SWEDEN, YES?
Paul Garay: YES.
Leo Laporte: I THINK WE'VE HOOKED IT UP TO-- WHERE'S THE SOUND COMING OUT OF?
Paul Garay: WELL LET'S JUST FIND OUT HERE.
Leo Laporte: [Chuckles] I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SOUND-- COMING OUT OF THIS?
Paul Garay: LET'S SEE.
Leo Laporte: I SHOULDN'T HAVE FIDDLED WITH THE KNOBS.
Paul Garay: AH, IT'S ALL RIGHT.
Leo Laporte: I THOUGHT IT WAS COMING OUT OF THAT. SEAN, WHERE DID WE HOOK THE SOUND UP TO? SEAN'S COMING OUT. HERE COMES SEAN.
Sean Carruthers: DOO-DOO- DOO!
Leo Laporte: I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SOUND PATCHED IN TO THAT ONE. WE HAVE IT PATCHED IN TO THE OTHER ONE.
Sean Carruthers: YEAH, THERE IT IS THERE.
Paul Garay: [Inaudible]
Sean Carruthers: IT WAS WORKING.
Leo Laporte: YOU KNOW WHAT, I TELL YOU WHAT. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK BUT AT THE END OF THE SHOW WOULD YOU PLAY SOME FUNKY PHAT JAMS FOR US?
Paul Garay: SURE. WE'LL DO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, SURE.
Leo Laporte: ALL RIGHT, PAUL GARAY IS A MUSIC PRODUCER, MUSICIAN, OBVIOUSLY, AND CREATOR OF THE INSIDE HOME RECORDING PODCAST. YOU COVER ALL THIS STUFF IN IHR, DON'T YOU.
Paul Garay: YEAH, WE DO. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: A REALLY GREAT PODCAST, HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT, AT insidehomerecording.com. DETAILS ON ALL THIS STUFF AND WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH IT ON OUR WEBSITE, labwithleo.com [Pop Captions Down] STAY HERE, MORE OF YOUR CALLS COMING UP, BUT FIRST, LET'S TAKE A CLOSE UP LOOK AT, NOT THAT, BUT THIS. WHAT THE HECK IS IT? WHAT THE TECH IS IT, MAYBE I SHOULD SAY. IT'S SOMETHING COMMONLY FOUND AROUND THE LAB. CAN YOU DECIPHER THE CLUE? FIGURE IT OUT, AND WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL ZOOM OUT AND FIND OUT AS THE LAB CONTINUES. [Playing Theme Music] [Commercial] [Playing Theme Music]
Leo Laporte: WELCOME BACK TO THE LAB. WE ZOOMED IN ON THIS TECHNOLOGICAL OBJECT. WHAT THE TECH IS IT? [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: I DON'T KNOW, LET'S ZOOM OUT, AND FIND OUT. OH! OH, IT'S LOGITECH PREMIUM USB HEADSET 350. IT'S THE KIND OF HEADSET YOU'D FINE ON ANY SKYPE PHONE, OR PC THAT YOU WANTED TO RECORD. HEY, THERE'S PAUL GARAY, THE MAGICAL MUSICAL TONES OF PAUL GARAY. WELCOME TO THE BEAUTIFUL LIMELIGHT ROOM, AT THE TOP OF THE LAB BUILDING IN BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN VANCOUVER FOR PAUL GARAY AND HIS MAGICAL SOUNDS. ISN'T THAT BEAUTIFUL? WHAT'S AMAZING IS, YOU CAN MAKE ANY SOUND YOU WANT OUT OF THAT.
Paul Garay: YEAH.
Leo Laporte: SO YOU COULD HAVE IT BE A BASS FIDDLE, A CELLO, YOU COULD HAVE IT BE A FLUTE, YOU COULD HAVE IT BE ME GOING AHH! ANYTHING YOU WANT.
Paul Garay: YOU COULD DO THAT. SURE, IF YOU WANTED TO.
Leo Laporte: YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO, BUT YOU COULD. PAUL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. I'M GLAD WE WERE FINALLY ABLE TO GET THAT ALL ROUTED THROUGH AND CONNECTED. MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE RANCH, ANOTHER CALLER HAD A QUESTION FOR LEO. KATE, WHO WOULD THAT BE?
Kate Abraham: IT'S LIKE A LOUNGE BAR IN HERE. [Laughing] I'M COMPLETELY RELAXED NOW.
Leo Laporte: IT'S LIKE THE TINKLING OF ICE, IT'S REALLY AMAZING.
Kate Abraham: YEAH, WE HAVE DANIEL ON THE LINE, AND HE IS FROM PETERBOROUGH IN ONTARIO.
Leo Laporte: HEY, DANIEL, HOW ARE YOU TODAY?
Terry: FINE, HOW ARE YOU?
Leo Laporte: I'M VERY WELL. WELCOME TO THE LAB, AND WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR TECH WOE?
Terry: UM, RECENTLY I GOT A CHANCE TO PUT IN SOME SERIOUS TIME ON A MAC, FINALLY, AND I LIKE IT, BUT I DON'T EXACTLY LOVE IT. SO I'M WONDERING, IF I GO AHEAD AND BUY ONE, WILL I BE ABLE TO PUT UBUNTU ON IT WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM?
Leo Laporte: OH THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. SURE, I MEAN I'M NOT SURE I'D RECOMMEND BUYING A MAC JUST TO RUN UBUNTU, SO-- UBUNTU IS A FORM OF LINUX, BY THE WAY. BUT IF YOU SAID, WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS, I WOULD LIKE TO RUN OS-X, AND I WOULD LIKE TO RUN LINUX, AND BY THE WAY YOU CAN ALSO RUN WINDOWS, AS WE ARE ON THIS ONE. A MAC IS A GOOD CHOICE. REALLY, NOWADAYS WHEN YOU'RE BUYING A MAC, YOU'RE BUYING THE SAME-- BASICALLY THE SAME HARDWARE YOU'RE BUYING WHEN YOU BUY A PC. YOU'RE PAYING A LITTLE BIT EXTRA BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING OS-X ON IT, AND IT'S THE ONLY KIND OF HARDWARE THAT WILL RUN OS-X. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: SO WHEN YOU SAID YOU LIKED IT A LITTLE BIT, NOT A LOT, DO YOU STILL WANT TO RUN SOME MAC?
Terry: YEAH, IT'S JUST IF I GET SICK OF IT, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO IT, I DON'T WANT TO SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE FOR HALF THE PRICE, SO-- [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: RIGHT.
Terry: SO I WANT SOMETHING TO FALL BACK ON.
Leo Laporte: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, IN FACT I'VE PUT UBUNTU LINUX ON MANY MACS. IT RUNS QUITE WELL. ONE WAY TO TELL IS TO MAKE A LIVE CD OF UBUNTU AND BRING IT OVER TO THE APPLE STORE SOMEWHERE AND BOOT INTO THE MAC AND MAKE SURE IT WORKS. THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT WILL NOT WORK. THE WEB CAM MIGHT BE ONE OF THEM, ALTHOUGH IF YOU CHECK OUT THE UBUNTU LINUX WEBSITE, YOU'LL SEE THAT, IN FACT, THERE IS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE THREAD -- LET ME PULL THE LINK UP FOR YOU, ON GETTING THE ubuntuforums.org SITE, ON GETTING THE MAC, BUILT IN MAC iSIGHT TO WORK WITH UBUNTU, SO I THINK IF YOU GET THE RIGHT-- ARE YOU A LINUX PRO?
Terry: UM, MEDIOCRE, MAYBE MEDIOCRE PLUS, PLUS.
Leo Laporte: OKAY WELL YOU'LL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO DO THIS. IT'S A STEP BY STEP, BUT YOU SEE YOU DO NEED TO INSTALL A NUMBER OF MODULES, YOU HAVE TO DOWNLOAD SOME PARTICULAR CODE, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET THE iSIGHT WORKING. IT JUST DOESN'T COME WORKING OUT OF THE BOX. BUT THAT'S, I THINK PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY THING THAT DOESN'T WORK. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL WORK JUST FINE, AND THE NICE THING IS, YOU COULD-- YOU COULD MAKE IT DUAL BOOT IF YOU WANTED, YOU COULD GET RID OF OS-X IF YOU WANTED, OR YOU COULD USE PARALLELS AS I AM HERE, I'VE GOT VISTA RUNNING, I'VE GOT XP RUNNING, I CAN EVEN RUN UBUNTU WITHOUT-- LINUX WITHOUT GETTING RID OF THE MAC. SO I'VE GOT KIND OF THE BEST OF ALL WORLDS.
Terry: WHAT ABOUT THE WIRELESS?
Leo Laporte: PARDON ME?
Terry: BECAUSE I KNOW NDIS WRAPPER FOR INSTALLING WINDOWS DRIVERS WORKS FINE, BUT FOR UM, MAC--
Leo Laporte: I'M TOLD-- NOW I KNOW YOU CAN USE NDIS WRAPPER-- THIS, AND MARCEL GAGNE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT ON THE OLD CALL FOR HELP SHOW. NDIS WRAPPER ALLOWS YOU TO USE WINDOWS DRIVERS ON LINUX, AND YOU CAN USE NDIS WRAPPER TO GET THE WIFI CARD IN THE MAC WORKING ON UBUNTU. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: BUT I AM TOLD THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO, THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A VERY SIMPLE WAY TO DO THAT, THERE'S A DRIVER TO DOWNLOAD AND I WOULD BET YOU IN THE NEWEST UBUNTU, FEISTY FAWN, THERE'S EVEN BETTER SUPPORT FOR THAT. [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: SO I KNOW THIS WAS IN THE EARLY VERSION 6, SO I'M PRETTY SURE THAT YOU WON'T HAVE ANY TROUBLE WITH 7, GETTING EVERYTHING WORKING, AS I SAID, INCLUDING THE WEB CAM WITH A LITTLE BIT OF WORK. AGAIN, I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. IF YOU'RE NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE MAC, I'M NOT SURE I'D RUN OUT AND GET A MAC. I DON'T-- BUT I ALSO HAVE TO THINK THAT AS YOU GET USED TO IT, YOU MIGHT FIND THAT YOU LIKE IT MORE AND MORE. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I DON'T USE LINUX AS MUCH ON THE MAC, AS YOU MIGHT THINK, IS BECAUSE THE MAC IS RUNNING UNIX. UNDER THE HOOD, IT'S RUNNING A REAL BSD, THAT'S WHAT DARWIN IS. THAT'S THE BERKELEY SYSTEM DISTRIBUTION OF LINUX, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A TRUE LINUX, AS OPPOSED TO-- A TRUE UNIX, AS OPPOSED TO LINUX, WHICH IS KIND OF AN EMULATED UNIX. SO IF YOU RUN THE TERMINAL APPLICATION--
Terry: YEAH, I HAVE, ACTUALLY, AT WORK. I KIND OF FEEL MORE FAMILIAR IN TERMINAL THAN I DO IN THE INTERFACE.
Leo Laporte: YEAH, IF YOU LIKE-- IF YOU'RE A UNIX FAN, THIS IS REAL UNIX, YOU KNOW? I'M RUNNING THE BAS SHELL HERE, BUT YOU CAN RUN ANY SHELLS, E- SHELL, TCSH, WHATEVER SHELL YOU'D LIKE. YOU DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE TRADITIONAL UNIX COMMANDS, BUT YOU CAN INSTALL ALMOST ALL OF THEM USING EITHER FINK, WHICH IS A REALLY GREAT WAY TO PUT UNIX PROGRAMS, LINUX STYLE PROGRAMS ON YOUR MAC OR THE DARWIN PORTS, WHICH IS ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF UNIX GEEKS AND HARD CORE GEEKS, PROGRAMMERS, HACKERS, THAT USE MACS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT UNIX THERE, AS WELL AS THE MAC INTERFACE, AND FRANKLY I DON'T FEEL ANY NEED TO PUT LINUX ON MY MAC, BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO STAY IN THE SHELL, YOU CAN STAY IN THE SHELL ALL DAY. YOU'VE GOT PYTHON, YOU'VE GOT PEARL, YOU'VE GOT RUBY PREINSTALLED. I'M TOLD THAT WHEN LEOPARD COMES OUT, YOU'LL HAVE RUBY ON RAILS PREINSTALLED.
Terry: OH WOW.
Leo Laporte: YEAH. YOU HAVE SQL, YOU HAVE MY SQL, YOU HAVE SQL LIGHT, YOU REALLY CAN DO ANYTHING YOU COULD DO ON UBUNTU WITH THE EXCEPTION OF-- WELL YOU CAN RUN X-WINDOWS, I SHOULDN'T EVEN SAY THAT. YOU CAN RUN X-WINDOW AND YOU CAN RUN AN X-WINDOW PRESENTATION MANAGER. SO YOU KNOW, IN A WAY-- AGAIN, IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO RUN LINUX, GET A CHEAP PC.
Terry: YEAH.
Leo Laporte: DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY, BUT IF YOU THINK YOU WANT TO DABBLE IN MAC, I WOULD SAY GO AHEAD, AND YOU MAY FIND THAT YOU HAVE LESS NEED TO RUN UBUNTU THAN YOU THINK. I STAY IN THE SHELL A LOT, I LOVE THE SHELL, I'M A UNIX FREAK, AND THIS IS UNIX, BABY, IT REALLY IS. DON'T TELL GRANDMA THAT, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO A MAC, AND IT'S VERY EASY TO USE AND FRIENDLY AND YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT BIG ICONS AND BUTTONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, TOO. WE GET THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, WE GET GARAGE BAND, AND WE GET BAS SHELL. OKAY, DANIEL?
Terry: ALL RIGHT.
Leo Laporte: ENJOY. AND THE ANSWER TO YOUR BASIC QUESTION IS, ABSOLUTELY, YOU CAN RUN UBUNTU ON IT JUST FINE.
Terry: OKAY.
Leo Laporte: JUST FINE. HEY, THANKS FOR THE CALL, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. COMING UP, MORE OF YOUR CALLS, AND DIANE -- SPEAKING OF LINUX, DEE ANN LEBLANC OUR LINUX EXPERT IS GOING TO SHOW US THE ULTIMATE PHOTO EDITING SOFTWARE, EVERY BIT AS GOOD AS THE $800 PHOTOSHOP, BUT IT'S FREE, AND WE'VE GOT RYAN YEWELL'S JEWELS, SO STAY RIGHT HERE. OH, DON'T GO AWAY, BECAUSE I DO WANT YOU TO TAKE THE QUIZ QUESTION... [Break For Boards]
Leo Laporte: OR IS IT RASMUS GREENLAND FROM LERDORF, I CAN NEVER REMEMBER. GO TO THE WEBSITE, THINK ABOUT IT, PONDER, COGITATE, CONTEMPLATE. WHEN WE COME BACK A LITTLE LATER ON WE'LL TELL YOU THE ANSWER. [Playing Theme Music] [Commercial] [Playing Theme Music]
Leo Laporte: OOH, IT'S-- IS THAT SONIC, SONIC THE HEDGEHOG, RIDING ON OUR CAMERAS? WELCOME BACK TO THE LAB. I'M LEO LAPORTE. HOPE YOU'RE ENJOYING THE SHOW SO FAR. IT'S GOING TO GET EVEN BETTER IN JUST A BIT, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A GREAT NEW CALLER ON THE LINE.
Kate Abraham: WE HAVE ACTUALLY GOT A CALLER FROM AUSTRALIA. THIS IS WAYNE, AND HE'S FROM PERTH.
Leo Laporte: PERTH.
Kate Abraham: AND HE'S GOT UP VERY EARLY THIS MORNING FOR US.
Leo Laporte: OH WAYNE, I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
Wayne: NOT A PROBLEM. LONG TIME VIEWER, FIRST TIME CALLER, HOW ABOUT YOU, LEO?
Leo Laporte: OH WE'RE SO GLAD TO GET YOU ON THE SHOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR--
Wayne: IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE ON THE SHOW.
Leo Laporte: FOR RISING SO EARLY. I HOPE THAT YOU HAD TO GET UP THIS EARLY ANYWAY AND IT WASN'T JUST ON OUR ACCOUNT.
Wayne: OH NOT A PROBLEM, PLENTY OF GOOD STUFF ON CABLE TELEVISION TO WATCH AT THIS HOUR OF THE MORNING.
Leo Laporte: [Laughing] WELL IT'S US AND OPRAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE CHOICE FOR ME. SO WHAT-- DO YOU HAVE OPRAH IN AUSTRALIA?
Wayne: UNFORTUNATELY YES, ON [Inaudible] AND ON PAY TV.
Leo Laporte: I WONDER HOW IT PLAYS IN AUSTRALIA, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE SUCH AN AMERICAN SHOW. BUT I GUESS IT MUST BE-- IS IT POPULAR?
Wayne: IT IS WITH THE STAY- AT-HOME MUMS AND THE 40 ON AGE GROUP, YES.
Leo Laporte: YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT THE SAME.
Wayne: PROBABLY THE SAME DEMOGRAPHIC AS IN AMERICA.
Leo Laporte: BUT THEY LOVE-- MY WIFE GETS OPRAH MAGAZINES, AND EVERYTHING. SHE LOVES OPRAH. SHE JUST LOVES OPRAH. I SAY, HONEY, YOUR HUSBAND, ME, I'M ON TV, TOO. SHE SAYS, WHO ARE YOU AGAIN? ANYWAY, WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU, WAYNE? HOW CAN I HELP YOU WITH YOUR COMPUTER PROBLEM? WE'LL WORRY ABOUT THE LADIES ANOTHER TIME.
Wayne: YEAH, JUST A VERY SIMPLE ONE THIS TIME AROUND. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: OKAY.
Wayne: MY WIFE AND I USE EBAY QUITE A BIT TO BUY AND SELL THINGS. AND WE'VE DOWNLOADED THE EBAY TOOL BAR AND IT WENT STRAIGHT TO EXPLORER, BUT WE USE FIREFOX.
Leo Laporte: THERE IS-- NOW I DON'T KNOW IF THE FUNCTIONALITY IS AS GOOD, BUT THERE IS AN EBAY TOOLBAR FOR FIREFOX. [Pop Captions Down]
Wayne: OKAY.
Leo Laporte: SO YOU'LL HAVE TO TELL ME WHAT YOUR TOOLBAR DOES. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: IT COMES FROM EBAY, SO IT'S A QUESTION OF I GUESS HOW MUCH EBAY HAS IMPLEMENTED THE FUNCTIONALITY THAT'S IN THE INTERNET EXPLORER TOOLBAR. IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO MORE IN INTERNET EXPLORER. IN FACT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I RECOMMEND NOT TO USE INTERNET EXPLORER IS BECAUSE YOU CAN DO MORE. [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: IT CAN BE MORE DANGEROUS BECAUSE PROGRAMS-- YOU KNOW, INTERNET SITES ARE ALLOWED TO INTERACT WITH YOUR COMPUTER IN WAYS THAT I THINK ARE UNHEALTHY AND UNSAFE. BUT HERE, LET ME SHOW YOU HOW YOU EXTEND-- OR FIND ANY EXTENSION FOR FIREFOX. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES FIREFOX SO GREAT IS THE ADD- ONS. SO YOU GO TO TOOLS, ADD-ONS. NOW THEY CALL IT ADD-ONS NOW, BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF ADD-ONS, AND I'M SURE THERE WILL BE SOME MORE IN TIME. EXTENSIONS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THEMES. AND YOU CAN THEME IT AND MAKE IT LOOK DIFFERENT. SO WE'VE GOT ONLY TWO EXTENSIONS ADDED ON HERE RIGHT NOW, AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. TOO MANY EXTENSIONS MAKE FIREFOX VERY SLOW, AND SOMETIMES UNRELIABLE. I'M CLICKING THIS BUTTON HERE THAT SAYS, GET EXTENSIONS, IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, THIS IS GOING TO SEARCH THE OFFICIAL MOZILLA SITE FOR EXTENSIONS. SO LET'S JUST TYPE IN EBAY AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE. AND THERE ARE SOME NON-EBAY EXTENSIONS. EBAY BUDDY, EBAY CAPTURE POPULATOR, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT WHAT YOU WANT. EBAY BLOG THIS, EBAY-- I THINK THESE ARE-- NONE OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE WHAT YOU WANT, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THEM YOU MAY FIND USEFUL. YOU SELL A LOT OF STUFF ON EBAY, OR ARE YOU AN EBAY BUYER?
Wayne: WE TEND TO SELL A LOT MORE NOW.
Leo Laporte: YEAH, AND I TELL YOU, THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT SOFTWARE TOOLS. THERE ARE 21 EXTENSIONS FOR EBAY ON MOZILLA, BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, YOU WANT THE OFFICIAL EBAY TOOLBAR. AND IF YOU DO A GOOGLE FOR EBAY AND FIREFOX, YOU'LL FIND IT VERY-- I JUST TYPED FIRE FORKS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE-- I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET, BUT THAT'S NOT-- THE VERY FIRST ENTRY IS firefox.codebase.ebay.com, AND THIS COMES FROM EBAY. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: SO THIS IS, I SUSPECT, VERY SIMILAR TO THE TOOLBAR FOR INTERNET EXPLORER. YOU INSTALL IT, AND YOU WILL HAVE TO-- WHEN YOU INSTALL IT, YOU PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO GET PERMISSION, YOU KNOW, GIVE FIREFOX PERMISSION TO INSTALL IT AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: BUT THIS, I SUSPECT WILL DO VERY MUCH THE SAME THING, BUT YOU MAY WANT TO CHECK SOME OF THOSE OTHER EXTENSIONS, SEE IF THEY ADD SOME FUNCTIONALITY. FIREFOX IS, YOU KNOW, CAN BE REALLY EXTENDED LIMITLESSLY, BUT IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHAT EBAY HAS DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT. SO firefox.codebase.ebay.com.
Wayne: NOT A PROBLEM.
Leo Laporte: OKAY?
Wayne: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP.
Leo Laporte: WAYNE, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WATCHING THE SHOW AND FOR GETTING UP EARLY.
Wayne: [Inaudible] I'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
Leo Laporte: WHAT DO YOU SELL ON EBAY?
Wayne: MY WIFE MAKES A LOT OF ART AND CRAFT GEAR, AND SHE'S SELLING THAT, AND WE'RE ALSO EMPTYING OUT OUR SHED.
Leo Laporte: ISN'T THAT-- [Laughing] SOME DAY I'LL HAVE THE ENERGY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I'VE GOT A GARAGE THAT'S JUST FULL OF STUFF. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REALLY GREAT SITE, I DON'T THINK-- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WORKS IN UM, IN AUSTRALIA OR NOT, BUT IT'S ETSY, IT'S A GREAT PLACE. IT'S KIND OF LIKE EBAY FOR CRAFTS. etsy.com. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY SELL INTO AUSTRALIA, OR BUY FROM AUSTRALIA, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S WORLDWIDE, AND BOY IS THIS A NEAT SITE. YOU MIGHT WANT TO SHOW IT TO YOUR WIFE. etsy.com, OKAY?
Wayne: WILL DO THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Leo Laporte: HEY, THANKS FOR THE CALL, I APPRECIATE IT, WAYNE. AS THEY SAY IN CANADA, G'DAY, MATE. WE'LL BE RIGHT-- THEY-- THEY SAY THAT IN CANADA.
Kate Abraham: YOU'RE ASKING ME? [Laughing]
Leo Laporte: YOU'RE FROM BRIGHTON. I DON'T KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG PERSON, AREN'T I? WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU THE ULTIMATE FREE PHOTO EDITING SOFTWARE AND MORE OF YOUR CALLS, TOO, AS THE LAB CONTINUES. STAY HERE. [Playing Theme Music] [Commercial] [Playing Theme Music]
Leo Laporte: WELCOME BACK TO THE LAB. WE'VE GOT RYAN YEWELL, WITH ONE OF YEWELL'S JEWELS COMING UP, A FREE FILE OF THE DAY, BUT FIRST LET'S GET ANOTHER CALL ON THE AIR.
Kate Abraham: OUR LAST CALL IS DON -- I NEARLY FORGOT HIS NAME. AND HE IS FROM HEMET IN CALIFORNIA.
Leo Laporte: HEMET, I KNOW WHERE HEMET IS. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: HELLO, DON, HOW ARE YOU TODAY? DON... THINK HE FORGOT HIS NAME, TOO, ACTUALLY. DON, ARE YOU THERE? DID WE LOSE HIM? HE WAS HAVING SOME TROUBLE WITH IS MEDIA CENTRE EDITION, SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET HIM BACK ON, BECAUSE--
Kate Abraham: I'LL CALL HIM BACK.
Leo Laporte: YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO CALL HIM BACK. WE DON'T GIVE UP. YOU MAY SAY, OH, I'M TOO SHY TO TALK. WE'RE GOING TO CALL YOU TILL YOU GET ON THE SHOW. I AM NOT AN EXPERT WITH WINDOWS MEDIA CENTRE EDITION, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CALL ON OUR GOOD FRIEND SEAN CARRUTHERS TO HELP US WITH THIS. AS I REMEMBER FROM READING HIS E-MAIL, THE PROBLEM WAS, HE'D WATCH TV FOR A WHILE, LIKE 15 MINUTES, AND THEN IT WOULD JUST STOP WORKING.
Sean Carruthers: THAT'S A PUZZLE.
Leo Laporte: THAT'S KIND OF A PUZZLE. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: WHENEVER A COMPUTER WORKS FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND THEN FAILS, USUALLY TO ME THAT SOUNDS LIKE HEAT, RIGHT?
Sean Carruthers: IT DOES SOUND LIKE HEAT. UM... YEAH, BECAUSE IF IT'S GOING RIGHT OFF THE BAT, IT'S NOT A DRIVER ISSUE.
Leo Laporte: WE KNOW THE DRIVER WORKS.
Sean Carruthers: THE DRIVER WORKS.
Leo Laporte: WELL IT'S TWO POSSIBILITIES. IT COULD BE, IT COLD BE WHAT WE CALL A MEMORY LEAK.
Sean Carruthers: RIGHT. [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: WHICH IS, PROGRAMS THAT, AFTER A WHILE, EAT MORE AND MORE MEMORY UNTIL THEY CRASH. IF IT'S RELATED TO HARDWARE, THEN YOU SAY IT'S HEAT. SO IT COULD REALLY BE TWO THINGS. IT COULD BE YOUR VIDEO CARD, YOUR VIDEO CAPTURE CARD OR THE CARD THAT'S DOING THE PLAYBACK, IS OVERHEATING AND CRASHING, OR IT COULD BE THE DRIVER HAS A MEMORY LEAK, WHICH MEANS IT'S CONSUMING MORE AND MORE MEMORY AND AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, IT CONSUMES SO MUCH MEMORY THAT IT CANNOT RUN ANY MORE AND IT COLLAPSES IN ON ITSELF. [Pop Captions Up]
Sean Carruthers: RIGHT, AND IF I REMEMBER IT WAS HAPPENING FAIRLY QUICKLY. IT WASN'T HAPPENING LIKE OVER THE COURSE OF TWO HOURS.
Leo Laporte: NO, IT WAS LIKE 15 MINUTES, I THINK HE SAID.
Sean Carruthers: OR LIKE EVEN A COUPLE OF MINUTES. [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: WAS IT A COUPLE OF MINUTES? WE'RE GETTING HIM ON THE LINE, AS SOON AS-- IS HE THERE? OKAY, WE'VE GOT DON NOW. WE CAN ASK HIM SPECIFICALLY. HEY, DON, ARE YOU THERE? [Laughing] DID YOU HANG UP ON HIM AGAIN?
Kate Abraham: HE'S HERE.
Leo Laporte: HE'S THERE, I SEE HIM BLINKING. I KNOW HE'S THERE. WELL I GUESS WE CAN'T GET HIM, SO THAT'S FINE. I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE QUESTION, AND THOSE ARE REALLY THE BASIC ANSWERS THAT WE'D GIVE HIM EVEN IF HE ASKED THE SPECIFICS. IF IT'S TWO MINUTES, IT'S PROBABLY NOT HEAT, RIGHT? THAT'S PRETTY QUICK.
Sean Carruthers: YEAH, IT'S PRETTY QUICK, SO IT MAY BE A FAILURE OF THE SOFTWARE ITSELF.
Leo Laporte: FIRST THING I WOULD DO IS DOWNLOAD NEW DRIVERS, AND AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT WHO THE VIDEO CARD IS, LOOK FOR THE MANUFACTURER. IF IT'S AN NVIDIA CARD, YOU MAY WANT TO GET IT FROM NVIDIA DIRECTLY. TRY DIFFERENT DRIVERS. HE WAS USING XP'S MEDIA CENTRE EDITION. SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT DRIVERS FOR YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM.
Sean Carruthers: AND THE ONE THING I WOULD CHECK ON THAT TO SEE IF IT WAS A PRODUCT THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY A RESELLER.
Leo Laporte: AH, YEAH.
Sean Carruthers: IT MAY NOT BE THE KIND OF CARD THAT IS PERFECTLY COMPATIBLE WITH THAT, SO THERE MAY BE ENOUGH COMPATIBILITY TO WORK FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT--
Leo Laporte: THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD POINT. FOR A LONG TIME, MICROSOFT SAID, THIS IS A WINDOWS MEDIA CENTRE EDITION AND ONLY THESE PEOPLE CAN MAKE THEM.
Sean Carruthers: RIGHT. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: AND EVERY PIECE OF HARDWARE WAS RATED, SPECKED OUT FOR IT, AND AS A RESULT IT SEEMED TO WORK PRETTY WELL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT WAS HP, IT WAS THE BIG NAME COMPANIES THAT WERE MAKING IT. THEN AT SOME POINT THEY DECIDED, NO, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS THE DEFAULT KIND OF WINDOWS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERYBODY USE THIS. WE'LL EVEN SELL ANYBODY THAT WANTS A COPY OF THE OPERATING SYSTEM. [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: THEY DIDN'T USED TO DO THAT. YOU ACTUALLY HAD TO BE A REAL BIG COMPUTER MANUFACTURER, AND CERTIFIED TO MAKE THEM. AND THAT'S RIGHT, NOW THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF HARDWARE AND A LOT OF IT DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL. IRONICALLY, WITH VISTA, EVERY COPY OF VISTA, AT LEAST FROM THE HOME PREMIUM ON UP, COMES WITH MEDIA CENTRE, SO IT'S AN EVEN WORSE SITUATION. YOU COULD YOU KNOW, BUY VISTA OFF THE SHELF AND PUT IT WITH HARDWARE THAT REALLY DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL. I THINK THAT'S TOO BAD IN A WAY.
Sean Carruthers: MM-HMM, AND THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IF YOU HAVE A MEDIA CENTRE EDITION THAT WORKS BEFOREHAND, AND YOU SWAP A COMPONENT OUT, TOO, THAT'S THEORETICALLY COMPATIBLE, THEN YOU COULD HAVE A PROBLEM AS WELL.
Leo Laporte: GOOD POINT. YOU KNOW, EVEN IF DON HAD BEEN HERE TO LISTEN TO THIS CONVERSATION, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE SAID THE SAME THING. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A VIDEO CASSETTE FOR HIM, AND WE'LL SEND IT TO HIM, AND HE CAN WATCH IT AT HOME ON HIS VCR, SINCE MEDIA CENTRE IS NOT WORKING. THANK YOU, DON FOR YOUR QUESTION OF THE DAY. NOW IT'S TIME FOR RYAN YEWELL, AND YEWELL'S JEWELS.
Ryan Yewell: YES.
Leo Laporte: I HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD ONE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT LIKE THE ULTIMATE FREE GRAPHICS PACKAGE COMING UP. THIS BETTER BE GOOD IF IT'S GOING TO COMPETE WITH THAT. [Pop Captions Up]
Ryan Yewell: WELL IT DOES WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO WELL. SO--
Leo Laporte: IT AIN'T THE GIMP.
Ryan Yewell: IT AIN'T THE GIMP, THAT IT IS NOT.
Leo Laporte: WELL WHAT IS IT? [Pop Captions Down]
Ryan Yewell: IT'S CALLED SI-METER 2.0, AND IT ESSENTIALLY A VERY SMALL PROGRAM, TINY--
Leo Laporte: SYSTEM INFORMATION, IS THAT SI STANDS FOR?
Ryan Yewell: I'M NOT SURE.
Leo Laporte: IS IT SI?
Ryan Yewell: IT IS SI.
Leo Laporte: I'M THINKING THAT-- I'M THINKING THAT'S WHAT IT IS. I'M THINKING... [Pop Captions Up]
Ryan Yewell: YOU'VE GOT THE MIND, YOU HAVE THE MIND. IT'S A SMALL PROGRAM, BUT THE THING I LIKE ABOUT SMALL PROGRAMS, IF THEY DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO WELL, I'M HAPPY. SO UP HERE, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT OUR LITTLE CPU METER, NOTHING MUCH IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
Leo Laporte: SO THIS IS A LITTLE THING YOU CAN PUT AT THE SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
Ryan Yewell: YEAH, AND YOU CAN JUST KIND OF MONITOR--
Leo Laporte: I LIKE THIS KIND OF STUFF.
Ryan Yewell: YEAH, IT'S COOL, SO LET'S JUST KICK IT UP A NOTCH HERE.
Leo Laporte: YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT BIG WINDOW OPEN, THAT'S JUST THE SETTINGS.
Ryan Yewell: THESE ARE JUST-- I WANT TO SHOW THE SETTINGS AND YOU CAN DO THINGS LIKE YOU CAN MAKE THE METER TRANSPARENT, SO IF IT'S A LITTLE ANNOYING YOU CAN--
Leo Laporte: I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE TOO TRANSPARENT.
Ryan Yewell: THAT'S A LITTLE TOO TRANSPARENT.
Leo Laporte: IT DISAPPEARED, THERE WE GO.
Ryan Yewell: AND YOU CAN CHANGE THINGS, LIKE YOU JUST WANT TO SEE THE CPU, YOU CAN CHANGE DIFFERENT METERS, AND YOU CAN DO-- THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS HERE.
Leo Laporte: YEAH, I LIKE THIS. THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A PROGRAM I USE ON THE MAC. IT'S CALLED MENU METERS. IT GOES ON THE MENU, AND ESPECIALLY THESE DAYS WITH THE CORE 2, AND YOU WANT TO SEE IF BOTH PROCESSORS ARE BEING USED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
Ryan Yewell: YEAH, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS, WE'LL QUICKLY JUST HERE-- LET'S JUST LOAD EVERYTHING UP HERE, AND LOOK AT THAT, LOOK AT THAT.
Leo Laporte: MAX IT OUT, BABY.
Ryan Yewell: 100%, BABY, THERE YOU GO.
Leo Laporte: YOU MAXED OUT THAT CPU, YOU KILLED IT, YOU KILLED IT.
Ryan Yewell: WE'RE GOING TO BLOW UP, SO--
Leo Laporte: WE CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE YOUR PICTURE IS OVERLAPPING.
Ryan Yewell: OH, WELL HERE, YES, I CAN DO THAT.
Leo Laporte: THERE YOU GO.
Ryan Yewell: THERE WE GO.
Leo Laporte: ISN'T THAT FUN TO GET A GRAPH LIKE THAT?
Ryan Yewell: SO YOU JUST GET A LITTLE GRAPHS, AND I MEAN IT'S NOT A BIG PROGRAM, IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF FEATURES, BUT LIKE I SAID, WHAT IT DOES IT DOES WELL, IT'S SIMPLE, IT'S EASY, IT MAKES SENSE.
Leo Laporte: BOY, AS SOON AS WHATEVER THAT WAS POPPED UP, IS THAT QUICKTIME?
Ryan Yewell: YEAH, THE QUICKTIME IS--
Leo Laporte: LOOK AT THAT. HOLY COW.
Ryan Yewell: YEAH, IT EATS IT UP PRETTY GOOD.
Leo Laporte: THAT'S A RESOURCE HOG. S-I--
Ryan Yewell: SI-METER 2.0.
Leo Laporte: SI-METER.
Ryan Yewell: IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE. IT'S ACTUALLY AN OLDIE BUT A GOODIE AS THEY SAY.
Leo Laporte: AND FREE.
Ryan Yewell: IT'S ABSOLUTELY FREE.
Leo Laporte: KIND OF LIKE ME.
Ryan Yewell: OH?
Leo Laporte: AN OLDIE BUT A GOODIE.
Ryan Yewell: OKAY, THERE YOU GO.
Leo Laporte: I'M NOT FREE THOUGH, I'M VERY COSTLY.
Ryan Yewell: I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT.
Leo Laporte: RYAN YEWELL IS THE CREATOR, THE MASTER OF YEWELL'S JEWELS. YOU'LL FIND THEM ALL ON LINE AT...
Ryan Yewell: labwithleo.com.
Leo Laporte: I KNEW THAT. AND THERE'S LOTS OF THEM NOW. WE'VE GOT DOZENS OF THEM.
Ryan Yewell: WE'RE GETTING UP THERE. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: CHECK IT OUT. WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST A BIT. WITH DEE ANN LEBLANC, AND THE ULTIMATE FREE GRAPHICS PROGRAM I'VE BEEN TEASING YOU WITH ALL SHOW. [Pop Captions Down]
Leo Laporte: NOW LET'S GIVE YOU ONE MORE CHANCE TO TAKE OUR QUIZ QUESTION OF THE DAY. HERE'S OUR QUICK QUIZ QUESTION... [Break For Boards]
Leo Laporte: I'LL GIVE YOU A HINT. AT THE TIME IT STOOD FOR PERSONAL HOME PAGE. [Break For Boards]
Leo Laporte: BOY, THAT'S A MADE UP NAME IF I EVER HEARD ONE. GET TO THE WEBSITE, THINK ABOUT IT, COGITATE, CONTEMPLATE, AND WHEN WE CONTINUE, WE'LL TIVE YOU THE ANSWER, AS THE LAB ROLLS ON. [Playing Theme Music] [Commercial] [Playing Theme Music]
Leo Laporte: WELCOME BACK TO THE LAB. BEFORE THE BREAK, WE ASKED YOU... [Break For Boards]
Leo Laporte: WHICH IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE TOP ONE OR TWO PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES ON THE WEB, AND IT WAS IN FACT, RASMUS LERDOF FROM GREENLAND. AND HE'S ACTUALLY A GREAT GUY. HE WORKS NOW -- I THINK HE WORKS AT YAHOO NOW, BUT THEY USE A LOT OF PHP AT YAHOO, AND YEAH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY THE PERSONAL HOME PAGE LANGUAGE, BUT I THINK THEY'RE SO EMBARRASSED BY THAT, I THINK THEY'VE RENAMED IT TO THE PHP LANGUAGE OR SOMETHING. IT DOESN'T STAND FOR THAT ANY MORE. DEE ANN LEBLANC IS HERE. SHE'S A LINUX EXPERT, OUR LINUX GURU. HI, DIANE.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: HELLO.
Leo Laporte: AND YOU'RE BRINGING US WHAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST POWERFUL, MOST USED PROGRAM, NOT JUST ON LINUX, NOW, BUT IT'S ON MAC AND WINDOWS AS WELL.
Leo Laporte: RIGHT.
Leo Laporte: IN FACT, IN MANY WAYS, THIS SPURRED DEVELOPMENT OF OTHER PARTS OF LINUX, BECAUSE THE GIMP TOOLKIT THAT WAS DEVELOPED FOR THIS PROGRAM IS NOW USED FOR GNOME AND OTHER PARTS OF LINUX.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YEAH, THE GTK TOOLKIT.
Leo Laporte: GTK, YEAH. SO WHAT IS THE GIMP? [Pop Captions Up]
Dee Ann LeBlanc: THE GIMP IS GNU IMAGE MANIPULATION PROGRAM.
Leo Laporte: OKAY, SOUNDS LIKE AN INSULT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY AN ACRONYM.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: IT ACTUALLY IS. [Pop Captions Down]
Dee Ann LeBlanc: IT'S NOT REFERRING TO INJURED PEOPLE, BUT THE GIMP IS USED FOR PHOTO MANIPULATION, IMAGE MANIPULATION.
Leo Laporte: IT'S LIKE PHOTOSHOP. IS IT AS POWERFUL AS PHOTOSHOP?
Dee Ann LeBlanc: THE GIMP CAN DO ALMOST EVERYTHING-- FOR THE AVERAGE USER THE GIMP CAN DO EVERYTHING THAT PHOTOSHOP CAN DO.
Leo Laporte: LAYERS...
Dee Ann LeBlanc: OH YEAH, IN FACT I HAVE SOME EXAMPLES TO SHOW YOU.
Leo Laporte: SHOW US SOME. IT IS A LITTLE HARDER TO USE BECAUSE THE INTERFACE IS SO VERY DIFFERENT, ALTHOUGH-- [Pop Captions Up]
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YOU CAN GET GIMP-SHOP WHICH WILL COMPLETELY REWRITE THE INTERFACE TO MAKE IT MORE LIKE PHOTOSHOP.
Leo Laporte: IT LOOKS A LOT LIKE PHOTOSHOP, YEAH, SO AND THAT'S FREE ALSO.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YES. [Pop Captions Down]
Dee Ann LeBlanc: SO WHAT I DID IS, I GOT THIS PICTURE OF THIS OWL THAT GOT INTO OUR HOUSE.
Leo Laporte: OH ISN'T THAT CUTE?
Dee Ann LeBlanc: HE'S ADORABLE.
Leo Laporte: YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW IT'S ONE OF NATURE'S MOST VORACIOUS RAPTORS, JUST TO LOOK AT IT, WOULD YOU?
Dee Ann LeBlanc: HE'S COVERED IN SOOT, BECAUSE HE GOT IN THROUGH A WOOD STOVEPIPE.
Leo Laporte: OH MY GOODNESS. HE'S PROBABLY LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, HUMAN FLESH.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: HE WAS PROBABLY NOT HAPPY WITH OUR DOGS. YEAH, HE LOOKS PRETTY MAD.
Leo Laporte: I'M MAD -- I MAY BE TINY, BUT I'M POWERFUL.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: BUT HE'S EVEN MORE MAD NOW THAT I'VE DONE THIS TO HIM.
Leo Laporte: OH, LOOK AT HIM -- HE'S GOING TO KILL YOU. THAT'S EMBARRASSING, THAT'S FUN.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: BUT WHAT I DID--
Leo Laporte: SHOW US HOW YOU DID THAT, YEAH.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: I USED LAYERS FOR ONE THING. HE'S IN THE BACKGROUND LAYER, SEE, I CAN GET RID OF HIM.
Leo Laporte: OH COOL.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: I MADE A CAPE, THE CAPE IN PIECES FOR HIM, AND I APPLIED A FILTER TO IT SO I COULD ACTUALLY UNDO THE MOSAIC AND GO BACK TO THAT.
Leo Laporte: OH NEAT.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: SO THAT'S ALL THAT WAS.
Leo Laporte: AND THE TRUTH IS, ANYBODY WHO'S SEEN PHOTOSHOP OR SEEN OUR SEGMENTS ON PHOTOSHOP WILL RECOGNISE A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: RIGHT.
Leo Laporte: THIS IS VERY SIMILAR, REALLY.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: ALL THE SAME TERMINOLOGY FOR THE MOST PART. I USED LAYERS FOR ALL THE PIECES SO I CAN GET RID OF ANY OF THE LAYERS THAT I WANT. THAT MAKES THINGS A LOT EASIER TO EDIT.
Leo Laporte: WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE OWL? DID YOU BRING IT TO ANIMAL RESCUE, OR--
Dee Ann LeBlanc: NO, WE ACTUALLY-- HE LOOKED PERFECTLY FINE. WE HAD THESE SPLAT MARKS, THESE SOOTY SPLAT MARKS ON THE WALLS.
Leo Laporte: [Laughing] YOU COULD TELL WHERE HE CAME OUT OF THE PIPE.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: SO WE SAW HIM FLYING AROUND, SO WE JUST FINALLY MANAGED TO DIVERT HIM TO A DOOR. BECAUSE THEIR INSTINCT IS TO HOLD STILL WHEN THEY'RE SCARED, SO WE KIND OF HAD TO HERD HIM.
Leo Laporte: I LOVE OWLS SO MUCH.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YEAH, HE WAS SO ADORABLE.
Leo Laporte: YEAH, SO LAYERS, CURVES, CAN YOU DO PHOTO RETOUCHING, THINGS LIKE RED EYE?
Dee Ann LeBlanc: OH DEFINITELY. THE MAIN-- THE TWO MAIN AREAS WHERE GIMP LACKS IS IF YOU'RE DOING PRINT, THERE'S NOT THE COLOUR CORRECTION YET. THEY'RE WORKING ON GETTING THE CM--
Leo Laporte: THE FREE PRESS STUFF.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YEAH, THEY'RE WORKING ON GETTING A CMYK COLOUR CORRECTION.
Leo Laporte: MM-HMM.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: THERE'S AN OPEN SOURCE PROJECT WORKING ON THAT.
Leo Laporte: OH THAT'S NICE.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: SO THAT WILL COME TO THE GIMP.
Leo Laporte: WELL THAT MAKES SENSE. IF YOU'RE A PROFESSIONAL PRINTING PRESS, YOU CAN AFFORD TO BUY PHOTOSHOP, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE USING THE GIMP.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: AND FOR HEAVY, HEAVY IMAGE MANIPULATION, HEAVY, HEAVY PHOTO MANIPULATION, REALLY DETAILED STUFF. NOW THERE IS ACTUALLY A VERSION OF GIMP THAT IS USED, SAY TO DO THE EFFECTS FOR SHREK, AND--
Leo Laporte: REALLY?
Dee Ann LeBlanc: OH YEAH, I THINK IT WAS SHREK, IT WAS ONE OF THE--
Leo Laporte: THEY USED OPEN SOURCE, ISN'T THAT GREAT?
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YEAH, LINUX WAS USED FOR TITANIC AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT--
Leo Laporte: YEAH.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YEAH, BUT THERE'S A VERSION, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME, BUT IT'S IN THE SHOW NOTES.
Leo Laporte: WELL I KNOW LUCAS IS VERY MUCH INTO OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE, THEY REALLY LIKE TO USE OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE WHENEVER THEY CAN.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YEAH, AND I'VE GOT THIS SPIDER IMAGE, A PHOTO THAT I TOOK IN JAPAN, WHEN I WENT TO TOKYO.
Leo Laporte: YEAH?
Dee Ann LeBlanc: AND IT SHOULD BE UP--
Leo Laporte: WE'LL PUT IT UP, THERE IT IS.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: AND HER NAME IS MAMAN.
Leo Laporte: BOY, THAT'S A BIG SPIDER.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YEAH.
Leo Laporte: NOW SEE, I'M KIND OF AFRAID OF SPIDERS. I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY WOULD LIKE JAPAN. ARE THE SPIDERS THAT BIG THERE?
Dee Ann LeBlanc: NO, FORTUNATELY NOT.
Leo Laporte: OH, OKAY.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: BUT SHE WAS HUGE, AND IT WAS A VERY COLD NIGHT.
Leo Laporte: IS THAT LIKE A STATUE?
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YES, I WAS STANDING UNDERNEATH IT, AND ONE GUY--
Leo Laporte: IT'S A GREAT PICTURE.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YEAH, ONE GUY LAID DOWN ON THE GROUND, RIGHT UNDERNEATH ONE OF HER LITTLE POINTY TOES, AND ACTED LIKE HE WAS SPEARED, IT WAS PRETTY FUNNY. AND YOU JUST DO SIMPLE STUFF.
Leo Laporte: NOW THAT TOOLBAR OVER ON THE LEFT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONFUSES PEOPLE BECAUSE IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE PHOTOSHOP TOOLBAR, BUT YOU SEE ALL THE SAME TOOLS THERE.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YES.
Leo Laporte: THEY'RE JUST NOT IN A LINE, THEY'RE IN A BOX, BIG DEAL.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: AND YOU CAN SEPARATE THEM OUT, YOU CAN OPEN THEM IN DIFFERENT BOXES.
Leo Laporte: DOES IT RUN JUST AS WELL ON WINDOWS AND MACINTOSH AS IT DOES ON LINUX?
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YES, IN FACT I'VE-- SOME PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY TOLD ME IT RUNS A LITTLE NICER ON WINDOWS.
Leo Laporte: REALLY?
Dee Ann LeBlanc: I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T USE WINDOWS, BUT UM, YEAH, IT RUNS-- IT SHOULD RUN EQUALLY WELL, ESPECIALLY MAC AND LINUX ARE SO SIMILAR, BECAUSE IT'S UNIX.
Leo Laporte: IT'S ONE OF THE LONGEST RUNNING OPEN SOURCE PROGRAMS AND IT'S GETTING BETTER ALL THE TIME.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: ALL THE TIME.
Leo Laporte: AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY FREE.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: OH YEAH, SO IS AMAROC, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
Leo Laporte: WHICH WE DID THE OTHER DAY. OF COURSE EVERYTHING YOU SHOW US IS FREE AND OPEN SOURCE, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST HOW DEE ANN IS. DEE ANN LeBLANC IS ONLINE AT deeannleblanc.com.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YES.
Leo Laporte: THAT'S WHERE YOUR BLOG IS, AND JOINS US TO TALK ABOUT FREE AND OPEN SOURCE STUFF.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: YES.
Leo Laporte: AND I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STOPPING BY.
Dee Ann LeBlanc: THANK YOU.
Leo Laporte: A FINAL WORD AS WE WRAP THIS SHOW UP, RIGHT AFTER THIS. [Pop Captions Up]
Leo Laporte: YOU STAY RIGHT HERE. [Pop Captions Down] [Playing Theme Music] [Commercial]
Leo Laporte: DID YOU KNOW THAT, BY THE WAY, THAT THE OWL IS A FEARSOME RAPTOR?
Kate Abraham: UM, I ALSO DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU ARE VERY SCARED OF SPIDERS.
Leo Laporte: I'M NOT.
Kate Abraham: WHICH I AM GOING TO RETAIN.
Leo Laporte: I AM NOT SCARED OF SPIDERS, I AM NOT. I'VE ACTUALLY HAD A TARANTULA CRAWLING ON MY HAND. I TREMBLED A LITTLE.
Kate Abraham: I'M NOT GOOD WITH THEM.
Leo Laporte: YOU'RE NOT?
Kate Abraham: NO WAY.
Leo Laporte: SEE, I'M GOING TO KEEP THAT-- NO, I WOULDN'T DO THAT TO YOU.
Kate Abraham: NO HONESTLY, I-- NO, CAN'T DEAL WITH THEM.
Leo Laporte: [Chuckles] BUT YOU LIKE OWLS.
Kate Abraham: NEVER BEEN CLOSE TO ONE.
Leo Laporte: SEE MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT THE SPIDER IS SCARIER THAN THE OWL. IN FACT THE SPIDER IS FAR LESS SCARY THAN THE OWL. IF THE OWL WERE AS BIG AS YOU, IT WOULD EAT YOU LIKE THAT.
Kate Abraham: ESPECIALLY IF IT'S FLESH HUNTING LIKE THE ONE IN DEE ANN'S HOUSE.
Leo Laporte: OWLS WILL EAT THEIR WEIGHT EVERY FIVE MINUTES, AND THEY'RE VORACIOUS RAPTORS. BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE CUTE LITTLE FUZZY THINGS, PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY'RE NOT. SO JUST WATCH OUT. [Laughing]
Kate Abraham: THE NEXT TIME I SEE ONE, I'LL REMEMBER.
Leo Laporte: WHAT'S YOUR FAVOURITE BIRD? [Pop Captions Up]
Kate Abraham: FAVOURITE BIRD? PROBABLY A ROBIN BECAUSE IT REMINDS ME OF CHRISTMAS.
Leo Laporte: ROBINS REMIND YOU OF CHRISTMAS?
Kate Abraham: YEAH, BECAUSE IN ENGLAND, ON ALL THE CHRISTMAS CARDS...
Leo Laporte: IT'S DIFFERENT IN ENGLAND, IT'S DIFFERENT. BECAUSE HERE IN THE STATES, OR HERE IN THE STATES-- HERE IN WHEREVER I AM TODAY. WHERE AM I? IN CANADA A ROBIN MEANS SPRING. AM I WRONG, CANADIANS? DOESN'T IT MEAN SPRING? THE RED, RED ROBIN COMES-- ANYWAY, IF YOU WANT TO BE ON THE SHOW, FORGET IT, WE WON'T TALK ABOUT BIRDS ANY MORE WE'LL TALK ABOUT TECH. GO TO THE WEBSITE, labwithleo.com, FILL OUT THE FORM. AND WE WILL SEE YOU RIGHT HERE NEXT TIME. HAVE A GREAT DAY, TAKE CARE. THE RED, RED ROBIN COMES BOB-BOB-BOBBING ALONG REALLY, ROBINS FOR CHRISTMAS?
Kate Abraham: YEAH, ON CHRISTMAS CARDS.
Leo Laporte: REALLY? [Pop Captions Up] CLOSED CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY: BROADCAST CAPTIONING & CONSULTING SERVICES INC. www.closedcaptioning.com [Pop Captions Down]