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Sean: CHECK, CHECK.
[Playing music]
HI, I'M SEAN CARRUTHERS AND
TODAY I'M GOING TO SHO YOU HO
I ROTETHE LAB'STHEME
TODAY ONTHE LAB ITH
LEO.
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[Theme music playing]
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Leo: HEY, HO ARE YOU?
AND GOOD TO SEE YOU.
ELCOME TOTHE LAB ITH
LEO.
I'M LEO LAPORTE YOUR GENIAL
HOST.
THIS IS EPISODE 14.
14 E GETTING ON NO.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, KATE
ABRAHAM HO IS SCREENING OUR
CALLS AND TALKS TO YOU EVERY
SINGLE DAY.
Kate: HEY, LEO.
Leo: HI, KATE.
YOU GOT SOME GOOD CALLS?
Kate: E DO.
ACTUALLY, E GOT SOME GOOD
SKYPE CALLS AS ELL.
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Leo: GOOD, I LIKE THE SKYPE
CALLS.
Kate: PEOPLE ARE PUSHING
FORARD ITH SKYPE.
I'M LIKING IT.
Leo: IT'S GOOD.
E'RE GETTING USED TO IT.
I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME
TECHNICAL ISSUES SOMETIMES.
Kate: BUT YOU KNO, PEOPLE
ARE KEEN TO DO IT.
Leo: AND IT'S BETTER TO SEE
YOU EVEN IF IT'S A LITTLE
CHUNKY THAN NOT SEE YOU AT ALL.
AH, STEVE GIBSON IS HERE.
THAT'S GONNA BE FUN.
HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT HARD
DRIVE FAILURE.
GOOGLE JUST DID A REALLY BIG
STUDY AND THERE'S SOME VERY
SURPRISING RESULTS.
ALSO SEAN CARRUTHERS AS YOU
JUST SA CREATED OUR THEME SONG
BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
HE'S GONNA SHO HE USED GARAGE
BAND ON A MACINTOSH TO DO IT
BUT LET'S GET OUR FIRST CALL OF
THE DAY ON THE AIR.
HO DO E HAVE, KATE?
Kate: E HAVE MICHAEL, HE'S
FROM KENTVILLE IN A VERY SUNNY
NOVA SCOTIA BY ALL ACCOUNTS.
Leo: ELL, HE LOOKS LIKE
HE'S GOT HIS SHADES ON.
HE'S GOT HIS TELEVISION ON.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT IT ALL
SET UP TO DO IT.
HEY, MICHAEL HO ARE YOU?
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Michael:GOOD, HO
ARE YOU, LEO?
Leo: UH, YOUR SHIRT'S
BACKARDS SO I CAN'T READ IT.
HAT DOES IT SAY?
SOMETHING HEAVY HEAVY EIGHT.
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Michael:HEAVY
\AIEIGHT.
Leo: IS THAT A GUITAR?
Michael:NO, IT'S G
UNIT.
Leo: OH, THEY'RE HEAVY
EIGHT.
I'M DON ITH THAT, BRO.
HAM.
BRO HAM.
SO HAT CAN I DO FOR YOU,
MICHAEL?
Michael:I HAVE A
QUESTION ABOUT ISO
FILES.
Leo: OKAY.
Michael:UM, HAT IS
AN ISO FILE?
Leo: HAT THE HECK IS IT?
Michael:YEAH.
Leo: YEAH.
Michael:I ATCHED
YOUR SHO BEFORE AND
YOU EXPLAINED IT BUT I
STILL REALLY DON'T
UNDERSTAND.
Leo: YOU KNO, IT'S FUNNY
BECAUSE I AS TALKING ITH
STEVE GIBSON ABOUT THIS AND HE
SAID THE NUMBER ONE TECH
SUPPORT CALLS HE GETS ON HIS
SOFTARE SPIN RITE IS THE SAME
THING HICH IS THEY OFFER --
HEN YOU DONLOAD SPIN RITE YOU
DONLOAD THIS FILE AS A
SPINRITE.ISO FILE.
UH, AND THEN HAT PEOPLE DO
GENERALLY IS THEY COPY IT TO A
CD AND THEY TRY TO BOOT THE CD
AND THAT DOESN'T ORK.
SO THAT'S HERE E GET IN
TROUBLE.
ARE YOU DONLOADING LINUX?
IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
YOU'RE SEEING ISO FILES OF?
Michael:UH, NO, NO.
Leo: HERE ARE YOU SEEING
THESE ISO FILES?
Michael:LIKE IMAGE
FILES.
Leo: YEAH, BUT HERE ARE YOU
GETTING THEM?
Michael:I USUALLY
GET THEM FROM LIKE HEN
I'M DONLOADING.
Leo: YEAH, OKAY, ELL, I
ON'T ASK HAT YOU'RE
DONLOADING.
[Laughter]
Leo: BUT YOU DONLOAD STUFF.
AN ISO FILE IS AS YOU SAID A
DISK IMAGE.
IN FACT--
Steve Gibson: ISO STANDS FOR
INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS
ORGANISATION AND THEY DEFINED
THE LAYOUT OF DATA ON A CD AND
DVD.
Leo: THE STANDARD IS THE ISO
9660 STANDARD.
Steve Gibson: EXACTLY.
Leo: HICH AS A VERY BAD
CHOICE IF YOU ASK ME FOR THIS
DISK FILES TO CALL AN ISO.
BETTER THEY SHOULD'VE CALLED IT
IMG.
APPLE CALLS IT A DMG A DISK
IMAGE AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT
CLEARER HAT YOU'RE GETTING.
Steve Gibson: RIGHT.
Leo: SO HEN YOU GET THESE
CALLS AT SPIN RITE HAT DO YOU
TELL PEOPLE?
Steve Gibson: ELL, E TRY
TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION HAT
PEOPLE ARE ANT TO DO AS YOU
EXPLAINED IS THEY TAKE THE FILE
AND BURN IT ON A CD.
Leo: THAT ON'T ORK.
Steve Gibson: RATHER THAN
BURNING IT ITSELF THAT IS IT IS
AN IMAGE OF THE FINAL CD RATHER
-- SO YOU ANT THAT RATHER THAN
AN IMAGE ITHIN AN IMAGE.
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Leo: RIGHT.
Steve Gibson: SORT OF.
Leo: SO THE AY YOU OULD
CREATE AN ISO IS YOU OULD USE
A PROGRAM THAT SAYS YOU KNO,
GIVE ME A CD.
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Leo: IT TAKES THE CD AND IT
GOES LIKE THIS.
[Sucking noise]
YOU EVER SEE ONE OF THOSE
MACHINES IN JAMES BOND YOU
KNO, THE GOLDFINGER.
THEY DRIVE THE ASTON MARTIN
THAT'S FULL OF GOLD.
THEY DRIVE IT TO THE DUMP AND
THEY PUT IT IN THIS MACHINE
THAT GOES [Sucking noise]
AND THEY MAKE A CUBE.
Steve Gibson: NORMALLY IT'S
FULL OF JAMES BOND.
Leo: PARDON ME?
Steve Gibson: NORMALLY IT'S
FULL OF JAMES BOND.
Leo: RIGHT, IN THIS CASE
IT'S GOLDFINGER'S GOLD.
OH, I THINK MAYBE THEY THOUGHT
JAMES BOND ANYAY, AND THEN
THEY PUT THAT CUBE INTO THE
TRUNK OF ODDJOB AND HE DRIVES
OFF ITH IT.
THAT CUBE, ACTUALLY IT AS THE
ROLLS ROYCE THEY SQUEEZED LIKE
THAT.
SO THAT'S LIKE AN ISO FILE.
YOU TAKE A HARD DRIVE AND YOU
GO [Sucking noise] YOU CRUNCH
INTO -- ALL THE FILES EVERY BIT
OF DATA THAT'S ON THAT HARD
DRIVE OR ON THAT CD OR
ANYTHING, IT CAN BE ANY -- ANY
DISK.
YOU CRUNCH IT INTO A SINGLE
FILE THAT HAS EVERYTHING BUT
THAT SINGLE FILE JUST LIKE THAT
CUBE IN THE TRUNK, IN ODDJOB'S
TRUNK CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING
BY ITSELF.
IN ORDER TO RECONSTITUTE IT YOU
HAVE TO USE ANOTHER PROGRAM
THAT CAN SAY OH, I SEE AN ISO
LET ME [Sucking noise] IT'S
LIKE YOU COULD PUT THE ROLLS
ROYCE BACK TOGETHER AGAIN.
LET ME STRETCH IT OUT AND MAKE
IT BACK INTO A DISK.
SO COPYING THE CUBE ONTO A DISK
IS NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU
ANYTHING BUT A CUBE ON A DISK.
E HAVE TO EXPAND IT OUT SO IF
YOU USE NERO, IF YOU USE ROXIO,
EASY CD CREATOR ALMOST -- IN
FACT, I GUARANTEE YOU ANY
PROGRAM THAT ILL BURN CDs ILL
ALSO ALLO YOU TO BURN ISO
IMAGES BUT YOU CAN'T JUST USE
THE COPY FEATURE.
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Leo: YOU HAVE TO GO INTO THE
MENU AND SAY IT'LL SAY
SOMETHING LIKE CREATE DISK FROM
IMAGE, THAT'S HAT YOU'RE
LOOKING FOR.
Michael:OR BURN
IMAGE ONLY?
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Leo: YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.
Steve Gibson: YES.
Leo: AND THEN IT'LL GIVE YOU
A DIALOGUE BOX THAT ILL BE
LOOKING FOR AND THERE'S A
NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EXTENSIONS
ISOs THE MOST COMMON.
Steve Gibson: Q AND BIN.
Michael:Q AND
THERE'S DAT.
Leo: YEAH, THERE'S DAT AND
YOU HAVE TO FIND THE RIGHT KIND
OF IMAGE BUT IT ILL TELL YOU
IT ILL SAY THE KINDS OF FILES
THAT I EXPECT.
IF YOU DON'T SEE THAT SAYING I
ANT AN ISO OR A BIN OR A Q
THEN YOU KNO YOU'RE NOT REALLY
IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
AND THEN HAT IT DOES IT
RECONSTITUTES IT, IT THAT
SQUISHED ROLLS ROYCE--
Steve Gibson: THAT RA IMAGE
AND IT JUST LAYS IT BACK OUT,
YOU KNO, SECTOR BY SECTOR ON
THE CD GIVING YOU A PERFECT
COPY, AN IDENTICAL COPY OF THE
ORIGINAL DISK.
Leo: THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT
ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR RESTORING
OR FOR BURNING ISOs.
UH, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALREADY
HAVE ONE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
FREE PROGRAMS THAT DO THIS.
Steve Gibson: AND THAT'S
ACTUALLY HAT E TELL PEOPLE.
E SAY GO GET ONE OF THESE AND
IT ILL JUST DO IT FOR YOU.
Leo: THERE'S LIKE MAGIC ISO
AND UM, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER
OF OTHER PROGRAMS BUT FRANKLY
IF YOU HAVE A BURNER YOU
ALREADY HAVE A PROGRAM THAT
ILL DO IT SO YOU DON'T NEED TO
GO OUT.
HERE'S THE ISO RECORDER POER
TOY HICH IS FROM
isoreporter.com HERE'S ACTUALLY
A LIST OF A HOLE BUNCH OF
THEM.
THE UH, XP SUPPORT TOOLS HAVE A
PROGRAM CALLED cdburn.exe
THAT'LL BURN ISO IMAGES.
SO THE KEY IS DON'T JUST COPY
THAT IMAGE TO A DISK YOU ANNA
USE A PROGRAM THAT KNOS IT'S
AN ISO AND ILL RECONSTITUTE IT
AS THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL DISK AND
THE BENEFIT IS NO YOU'RE
GETTING A PERFECT COPY.
THAT'S EXACTLY HAT THAT DISK
LOOKS LIKE.
OKAY?
Michael:ALL RIGHT,
THANK YOU, LEO.
Leo: HEY, THANK YOU, SIR, I
APPRECIATE IT.
ALL THE BEST IN NOVA SCOTIA
HERE IT'S APPARENTLY VERY --
AS IT NOVA SCOTIA?
IT AS VERY SUNNY.
YEAH.
VERY SUNNY THERE.
THE SUN BURNS, IT BURNS.
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Leo: ALL RIGHT, COMING UP IN
JUST A LITTLE BIT STEVE GIBSON
AS YOU CAN TELL IS HERE.
HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT HARD
DRIVES.
HE IS ACTUALLY -- E TALK ABOUT
SECURITY ITH HIM ALL THE TIME
BUT HE'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY THE
FOREMOST EXPERT IN HARD DRIVES
AS ELL.
AND STEVE'S AMAZING.
E'LL TALK TO HIM IN JUST A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT HARD DRIVE
MAINTENANCE, RECOVERY AND LIFE
SPAN ASTHE LAB
CONTINUES.
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[Commercial Break]
[Theme music playing]
Leo: ELCOME BACK TO
THE LAB ITH LEOI'M LEO
LAPORTE.
STEVE GIBSON IS HERE.
HE IS A IZ AT SECURITY.
HE DOES THE SECURITY NO
PODCAST ITH ME ON THE TIT
NETORK BUT ALSO AT grc.com HAS
A HOLE HOST OF FREE SECURITY
UTILITIES STARTING ITH SHIELDS
UP, BUT THERE'S SECURABLE
THERE'S UNPLUG AND PRAY.
Steve Gibson:
DISCOMBOBULATOR.
Leo: THE LIST GOES ON AND
ON.
IT'S ONE OF HIS -- I GUESS IT'S
A HOBBY, REALLY.
Steve Gibson: ELL, IT'S
IMPORTANT.
IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SOMEONE NEEDED TO DO IT.
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Steve Gibson: AND YOU KNO,
I RITE ALL THE CODE AND IT'S
ALL THE LITTLE APPS AND
ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE SO THERE'S
25K, THEY'RE EASY TO USE.
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Steve Gibson: I JUST -- THEY
DO THE JOB.
Leo: AND THEY ORK ITH
VISTA.
Steve Gibson: YES.
Leo: YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO
ANYTHING THEY JUST DO.
Steve Gibson: ELL, E HAVE
MICROSOFT TO THANK FOR THAT
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ANNA BREAK
VISTA FOR YOU KNO, MY APPS AND
I DON'T THINK THEY ERE ORRIED
ABOUT ME.
Leo: RIGHT.
UH, BUT THAT'S YOUR HOBBY BUT
YOUR DAY JOB IS SPIN RITE HICH
IS--
Steve Gibson: 20 YEARS.
Leo: YEAH, A GREAT PROGRAM.
I'VE USED IT SINCE VERSION ONE.
IT'S NO IN VERSION SIX.
IT IS A HARD DRIVE MAINTENANCE
AND RECOVERY UTILITY.
Steve Gibson: AND IT HELPED
YOU A COUPLE OF EEKS AGO.
Leo: IT DID.
MY HARD DRIVE OULDN'T BOOT AND
I RAN -- THANK GOODNESS I RAN
SPIN RITE, ACTUALLY, I CALLED
YOU AND SAID I DON'T KNO HAT
MY SERIAL NUMBER IS AND YOU
HAVE A SYSTEM FOR GETTING IT
BACK.
Steve Gibson: YEAH.
Leo: AND IT FIXED IT AND
IT'S BEEN FINE EVER SINCE.
HARD DRIVES ARE NOT PERFECT.
[Laughter]
Leo: I GOT BAD NES FOR YOU.
THEY FAIL.
Steve Gibson: ABOUT 15 YEARS
AGO E ERE RUNNING AN AD IN PC
MAGAZINE.
THE HEADLINE AS HARD DISKS
DIE.
Leo: YEAH.
Steve Gibson: AND THEN IT
AS EVER ONDER HY.
AND E EXPLAINED THE MECHANISMS
OF PREMATURE HARD DISK FAILURE
AND HAT GOOGLE RECENTLY DID
AS FASCINATING.
THEY OF COURSE GOOGLE HAS HARD
DRIVES.
Leo: LOTS OF THEM.
Steve Gibson: MORE THAN
100,000 HARD DRIVES.
Leo: THAT'S HERE THEY STORE
ALL THE DATA THAT THEY'RE
GETTING HEN THEY INDEX THE
NET.
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Steve Gibson: EXACTLY THEY
HAVE THE HOLE INTERNET
BASICALLY AND GOOGLE MAIL HERE
THEY'RE OFFERING ALL THOSE GIGS
OF EMAIL STORAGE IN GOOGLE
MAIL.
Leo: THEY USE STANDARD
CONSUMER HARD DRIVES?
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Steve Gibson: YEAH.
BECAUSE THOSE ARE -- REMEMBER
RAID -- REDUNDANT ARRAY OF
INDEPENDENT OR INEXPENSIVE
DRIVES.
THE IDEA AS RATHER THAN LIKE
TRYING TO GET SOME SUPER
RELIABLE DRIVE E USE A BUNCH
OF CHEAP ONES AND E ON'T CARE
IF THEY DIE.
Leo: IF ONE FAILS E STILL
HAVE OUR DATA.
Steve Gibson: THE PROBLEM IS
CONSUMER DON'T HAVE REDUNDANT,
LOTS OF DRIVES.
THEIR LAPTOP HAS ONE.
THEIR MACHINE AT HOME HAS ONE.
HEN IT DIES THAT'S NOT GOOD
NES.
ELL, EXCEPT MAYBE FOR ME.
[Laughter]
Leo: BECAUSE YOU CAN SAVE
THEM.
Steve Gibson: IF THEY KNO
ABOUT SPIN RITE THEY CAN FIX IT
BUT HAT GOOGLE DID ITH THE
EALTH OF THIS MASSIVE
KNOLEDGE BASE AND EXPERIENCE
BASE ITH MORE THAN 100,000
DRIVES EVERY ONE OF THOSE AS
INSTRUMENTED AND IT AS TRACKED
OVER THE LIFETIME OF THE DRIVES
USE IN THEIR SYSTEM.
Leo: SO THEY HAVE A HUGE
DATABASE OF INFORMATION ABOUT
HO DRIVES ORK AND FAIL.
Steve Gibson: AND IN
FEBRUARY OF 07 THEY PRODUCED A
13 PAGE DOCUMENT HICH IS
TITLED -- HICH THEY SUBMITTED
TO THE FIFTH USENET -- USENIX
CONFERENCE ON FILE STORAGE AND
UM, AND TECHNOLOGY.
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Steve Gibson: FAILURE TRENDS
IN A LARGE DISK DRIVE
POPULATION.
AND THIS HAS LOTS OF DETAIL.
ANYBODY HO'S INTERESTED CAN
FIND IT THROUGH THE LINKS ON--
Leo:LAB ITH LEO.
Steve Gibson: ONLAB
\AIITH LEO.
ALSO YOU CAN JUST PUT IN GOOGLE
HARD DRIVE FAILURE STUDY INTO
GOOGLE.
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Steve Gibson: ELL, INTO
GOOGLE AND NOT SURPRISINGLY
IT'LL COME UP.
Leo: AND E SHO THE FULL
LINK JUST A SECOND AGO SO.
Steve Gibson: PERHAPS THE
MOST INTERESTING AND
DISTRESSING THING THEY FOUND
AS OVERALL FAILURE RATES ERE
MANY TIMES HIGHER IN ANY CASE
THAN HARD DRIVE MAKERS CLAIMED.
Leo: THEY CLAIMED TENS,
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HOURS
BETEEN FAILURE IN MOST CASES.
Steve Gibson: RIGHT BUT FOR
EXAMPLE AT THE TO YEAR MARK
DRIVES ERE FAILING ABOUT 8%
PER YEAR.
THIS IS ANNUAL FAILURE RATE
HERE ON THE LEFT HAND SCALE SO
THIS IS PERCENTAGE OF DRIVES
THAT ILL FAIL PER YEAR.
ELL, HAT YOU SEE IN THE
BEGINNING IS A LITTLE BIT OF
HAT E CALL INFANT MORTALITY.
NOTICE THAT THESE REALLY
YOUNGER DRIVES UP TO THREE
MONTHS OLD THEY FAIL A LITTLE
MORE OFTEN THAN THEY DO AT SIX
MONTHS OR ONE YEAR.
Leo: HAT YOU EXPECT THIS IS
A MANUFACTURING DEFECT.
Steve Gibson: SOME LITTLE
PROBLEM THAT ASN'T FOUND HEN
IT CAME OFF THE ASSEMBLY LINE
KILLED IT EARLY.
THEN IT SETTLES DON.
Leo: SO IT'S PRETTY GOOD.
I MEAN, THE FAILURE RATE IS
AROUND 3% FOR THE FIRST YEAR.
Steve Gibson: OKAY, BUT EVEN
3%, THAT'S THREE OUT OF EVERY
HUNDRED DRIVES PER YEAR.
Leo: ILL DIE.
Steve Gibson: HICH -- YES.
AND NOBODY ANTS THEIRS TO DIE.
THEY DON'T ANNA BE PART OF
THAT 3%.
Leo: IT'S THAT ONE CHANCE IN
30 THAT YOURS ILL BE THE ONE.
Steve Gibson: ONE IN 30,
EXACTLY HICH IS -- THAT'S LIKE
HOA, OKAY, ELL, IT GETS MUCH
ORSE AND HAT'S SURPRISING
ABOUT THE STUDY IS THAT AT TO
YEARS THIS 2%--
Leo: JUMPS.
Steve Gibson: BY MORE THAN
FOUR TIMES TO NO 8%.
Leo: SO IF YOU HAVE A DRIVE
THAT'S MORE THAN TO YEARS OLD
UH, YOU'RE REALLY AT RISK.
Steve Gibson: YOU'RE OUT
HERE.
Leo: IN FACT, AS YOU GET --
THIS IS 8% COMPOUNDED YEARLY SO
BY THE END OF FIVE YEARS MOST
OF THEM HAVE DIED.
Steve Gibson: EXACTLY.
8%, 8% YOU KNO, YOU GOT LUCKY
IN THE FIRST YEAR.
ARE YOU GONNA GET LUCKY IN THE
SECOND YEAR?
Leo: RIGHT.
Steve Gibson: AND PRETTY
MUCH -- IT PRETTY MUCH IT STAYS
AT THAT LEVEL.
SO -- SO THE TAKE AAY LESSONS
IS BACK UP.
I MEAN--
Leo: THEY ILL DIE.
Steve Gibson: I OULD RATHER
NOT HAVE PEOPLE NOT BUY SPIN
RITE TO RECOVER THEIR LIFE'S
STORAGE.
I'D RATHER THAT THEY TAKE THE
LESSON OF THIS AND I MEAN, GET
SERIOUS ABOUT BACKING UP OR
MAKING AN IMAGE OF THEIR DRIVE.
Leo: THERE'S SOME OTHER
THINGS THEY FOUND OUT, IN FACT,
THEY SAID ONE THING THAT AS
VERY SURPRISING--
Steve Gibson: SMART.
Leo: TO THEM IS THAT SMART'S
ORTHLESS.
Steve Gibson: SMART IS DUMB.
Leo: THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY
THAT DRIVE MANUFACTURERS
INTRODUCED TO MONITOR--
Steve Gibson: SELF-
MONITORING ANALYSIS AND
REPORTING TECHNOLOGY.
S-M-A-R-T.
Leo: THE IDEA AS THE DRIVE
OULD SAY I'M DYING HERE.
Steve Gibson: DRIVE
MANUFACTURERS DIDN'T ANT TO DO
THIS.
COMPAC AS THE BIG CLONE MAKER
EARLY ON AND THEY SAID TO
SEAGATE AND ESTERN DIGITAL AND
THE OTHER MAJOR DRIVE MAKERS AT
THE TIME THEY SAID E NEED SOME
AY OF KNOING HAT'S GOING ON
BECAUSE THE VERY FIRST DRIVES
ERE DUMB.
THEY ERE JUST LITERALLY THEY
HAD A CONTROLLER AND THE DRIVE.
HAT HAPPENED AS THE IDE
STANDS FOR INTEGRATED DRIVER
ELECTRONICS HERE THE
CONTROLLER MOVED INTO THE DRIVE
AND THE DRIVE ITSELF BECAME
SMART.
ELL, SMARTER SO HAT HAPPENED
AS COMPAC SAID IF YOU'RE GONNA
HAVE A MICROCONTROLLER, A
MICROPROCESSOR IN THE DRIVE
HAVE IT TELL US HAT IT THINKS
ABOUT HAT'S GOING ON IN THERE.
Leo: APPARENTLY HAT IT
THINKS ISN'T MUCH.
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Steve Gibson: ELL, EXACTLY
AND HAT GOOGLE AS HOPING AS
IS THAT THEY COULD ANALYSING
THIS HUGE POPULATION AND
LOOKING AT THE SMART DATA
COMING BACK OUT THAT THEY COULD
PREDICT FAILURE.
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Steve Gibson: IT TURNS OUT
SMART IS NOT PREDICTIVE.
Leo: RIGHT, RIGHT.
THEY ALSO FOUND OUT THAT
TEMPERATURE DIDN'T MATTER THAT
MUCH.
Steve Gibson: HICH IS
REALLY SURPRISING.
NO I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS
IS THAT AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT
DRIVES OVER FIVE YEAR PERIOD
THE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING.
Leo: YEAH, THAT FIVE YEAR
OLD DRIVE IS VERY DIFFERENT
THAN TODAY'S DRIVES.
Steve Gibson: LOOK AT OUR
DRIVES TODAY VERSUS FIVE YEARS
AGO AND SO I'M SURE, I MEAN,
EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER KNON
FOR 20 YEARS HAS SAID HIGH
TEMPERATURES KILLS DRIVES
PREMATURELY.
APPARENTLY THAT ISDOM IS
CHANGING ITH VERY NEER DRIVES
THAT ARE BEING BETTER IN HIGH
TEMPERATURE ENVIRONMENTS BUT
HAT IS ALSO CHANGING IS THE
RELIABILITY IS FALLING.
Leo: BY THE END OF FIVE
YEARS MORE THAN HALF OF THEM
ILL DIE.
Steve Gibson: YES.
Leo: VERY INTERESTING STUFF.
E HAVE A LINK IN THE SHO
NOTES labithleo.com.
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Steve Gibson: THIS IS A
GREAT THING TO READ.
Leo: IT'S ACTUALLY VERY
READABLE.
I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE
BIT ABOVE MY HEAD BUT YOU CAN
UNDERSTAND HAT THEY'RE TALKING
ABOUT, IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
AND IT'S THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY
HAS HAD THAT MANY DRIVES AND
KEPT SUCH DETAILED INFORMATION
ABOUT THOSE DRIVES.
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Leo: AND THAT'S HAT REALLY
NEAT ABOUT THAT.
E'LL PUT IT ON THE SHO NOTES
SO THAT YOU CAN READ IT.
THANK YOU, STEVE GIBSON FOR
BRINGING IN THE RESULTS.
YOU'LL FIND STEVE AT grc.com
THAT'S HERE SHIELDS UP,
SECURABLE, AND OF COURSE SPIN
RITE IS.
NO IT'S TIME TO PLAY HAT THE
HECK IT IS?
STEVE, YOU'LL PROBABLY KNO.
SO NO, NO HINTS HERE.
IT'S A CLOSE UP PICTURE, SEAN
CARRUTHERS TOOK OF SOMETHING
HAVING TO DO ITH TECH.
I THINK -- I HAVE A THOUGHT
I'LL TELL YOU HAT, YOU ATCH,
YOU LOOK, YOU THINK AND HEN E
COME BACK E'LL TELL YOU
ASTHE LABCONTINUES.
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[Commercial Break]
[Theme music playing]
Leo: ELCOME BACK TO
THE LAB.
ALL RIGHT, HAT THE TECH IS
THAT?
I'M THINKING IT'S A CONNECTOR
ON A COAXIAL CABLE.
THAT'S MY GUESS.
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Leo: LET'S ZOOM OUT.
HEY, I THAT AS PRETTY CLOSE.
HAT IS THAT ON?
IT'S ON SOME BACK OF A TV OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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Leo: HE USES A VERY HIGH
THIS MACRO LENS ELL, E TALKED
ABOUT IT BEFORE.
IT'S REALLY COOL.
IT REALLY GETS YOU IN THERE
VERY, VERY CLOSELY.
IT'S ON HIS OLYMPUS -- THIS IS
UH, 35 MILLIMETRE ONE TO THREE
FIVE MACRO.
VERY COOL.
LET'S NOT GET DUST ON IT.
LET'S GET OUR NEXT CALLER ON
THE AIR HERE.
I BELIEVE E HAVE ONE.
UH, KATE?
Kate: E HAVE VIA SKYPE
OCTAVIO FROM LOS ANGELES
CALIFORNIA.
Leo: HI, OCTAVIO, HO ARE
YOU?
Octavio:PRETTY GOOD,
LEO.
Leo: GREAT TO TALK TO YOU.
ELCOME TO THE SHO.
HAT CAN I DO FOR YOU?
Octavio:I JUST GOT
A QUESTION ABOUT MAC
OSX.
Leo: YES.
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Octavio:BASICALLY
THOSE COMPUTERS
\AIHENEVER I YOU KNO,
AM TRANSFERRING FILES
OVER AN INTERNET
CONNECTION LIKE A
\AIIRELESS CONNECTION
SOMETIMES THE INTERNET
CONNECTION ILL DROP.
Leo: YES.
Octavio:OR IT JUST
COMPLETELY STALLS
MY COMPUTER OUT.
Leo: YES, YOU GET THE
SPINNING BEACH BALL OF DEATH.
Octavio:OH, YEAH.
Leo: AND E ERE TALKING
ABOUT THIS ON OUR PODCAST
MACBREAK EEKLY THE OTHER DAY
IT IS ONE OF OUR IN FACT, MY
NUMBER ONE MAC HINE.
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Leo: E HAVE THIS MAC HINE
SEGMENT UH, YOU KNO, PEOPLE
OFTEN THINK THAT UH, YOU KNO,
I THINK THE MAC IS PERFECT,
THERE'S NOTHING RONG ITH IT
AND YOU KNO, I TALK ABOUT THE
BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH IN INDOS
ELL, THIS IS EQUIVALENT TO THE
BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH ON THE MAC
AND FRANKLY I THINK IT'S THE
BIGGEST PROBLEM ON THE
MACINTOSH.
FOR SOME REASON HEN YOU LOSE A
NETORK CONNECTION SAME THING
ILL HAPPEN IF YOU SHARING
FILES FROM ONE COMPUTER TO THE
OTHER UH, AND FOR SOME REASON
THAT DROPS OFF UH, IT TAKES
ALMOST AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF
TIME FOR THE MACINTOSH TO
NOTICE AND MEANHILE IT ON'T
LET ALMOST LET YOU DO ANYTHING
ELSE AND YOUR FINDER GETS
STUCK.
YOU CAN RUN ANY PROGRAMS IF
OTHER PROGRAMS ARE RUNNING
FINE.
IT'S THE FINDER THAT GETS
STUCK.
I THINK FRANKLY THE REAL
PROBLEM IS THE FINDER HICH IS
KIND OF THE DESKTOP IT'S THE
EQUIVALENT OF THE EXPLORER FOR
THE MACINTOSH IS JUST THE
OLDEST PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY ON
OSX.
IT HASN'T MUCH CHANGED FROM
OSIX AND APPLE REALLY NEEDS TO
UPDATE IT VERY QUICKLY.
I DON'T KNO ANY FIX FOR THIS.
IF ANYBODY KNOS OF ONE PLEASE
LET ME KNO BECAUSE IT'S
BOTHERING YOU AS MUCH AS IT'S
BOTHERING YOU, OCTAVIO.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS A FIX
FOR IT.
IT MIGHT BE IF YOU LOERED THE
TIME OUT SETTINGS, HAT'S
HAPPENING IS IT'S TIMING OUT.
AND ALL COMPUTERS DO THIS.
UH, I REQUEST SOMETHING FROM
YOU AND I AIT.
AND THERE IS A PERIOD OF TIME
THAT I ILL AIT FOR THAT'S
CALLED THE TIME OUT AT HICH
POINT I GIVE UP.
NO APPARENTLY THE TIME OUT IS
SET TO SOMETHING LIKE EIGHT
HOURS.
IN OTHER ORDS THE FINDER NEVER
GIVES UP.
IT JUST GOES OKAY, I'M AITING
ON THIS TAKE AS LONG AS YOU
ANT.
I'LL JUST AIT HERE AND HAT
YOU REALLY ANNA DO IS AFTER 30
SECONDS OR A MINUTE SAY I GUESS
I'M NOT GETTING ANY MORE DATA
BACK TO ORK, GUYS.
UH, NO I DON'T KNO IF YOU CAN
CHANGE THAT SETTING I THINK YOU
CAN.
I THINK IT'S DEEP ITHIN THE
UH, THE UH, PREFERENCES FOR THE
FINDER.
I DON'T KNO OFF THE TOP OF MY
HEAD.
IT'S THE KIND OF THING IN
INDOS E YOU OULD CHANGE A
SETTING IN THE REGISTRY.
THERE'S NO REGISTRY ON THE MAC.
IT'S ALL PREF FILES.
UH, BUT IF SOMEBODY KNOS
PLEASE LET ME KNO E ILL PUT
IT IN THE SHO NOTES.
OCTAVIO, I SHARE IN THE ORDS
OF BILL CLINTON [Bill Clinton
voice] I FEEL YOUR PAIN.
I KNO IT HURTS.
IT HURTS ME, TOO.
[Normal voice]
I HATE IT!
THAT DARN BEACH BALL OF DEATH.
YOU KNO, IN MANY AYS MAC IS
GREAT BUT THAT'S ONE THING IT
FAILS AT.
I DON'T HAVE A FIX FOR YOU.
NO I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT IFI
DROPOUTS ARE VERY, VERY COMMON
UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS A
IRELESS NETORKING HAS A
PROBLEM ITH.
A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU CAN DO
TO IMPROVE THAT YOU KNO THAT
THERE IS THIS INTERFERENCE
ROBUSTNESS SETTING IN THE
AIRPORT SETTINGS.
I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE AIRPORT
ON HERE SO I CAN'T SHO YOU.
DON'T COME OVER HERE, GLEN.
NOTHING TO SEE HERE, NOTHING TO
SEE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE AN AIRPORT YOU
KNO YOU DROP IT DON AND IT
SAYS USE INTERFERENCE
ROBUSTNESS YOU CAN TURN THAT
ON.
THAT MAY HELP YOU ITH DROPOUTS
CHANGING THE CHANNEL MIGHT.
YOU NOTICE THAT THERE ARE A LOT
OF OTHER IFI ACCESS POINTS.
HAT'S HAPPENING IS SOMETIMES
IT'S CHECKING IN ITH THEM TO
SEE IF THEY ANNA BE THE BOSS
AND THEN YOU DROP YOUR SETTING.
BRIEFLY YOU DROP YOUR INTERNET
CONNECTION FOR IT TO CONFUSE
THE FINDER.
NO ANSER, OCTAVIO, I'M SORRY.
Octavio:NO ORRIES,
LEO, THANK YOU.
Leo: JUST SYMPATHY.
THANK YOU FOR CALLING I REALLY
APPRECIATE IT.
Octavio:ALL RIGHT,
THANKS.
Leo: ALL RIGHT, TAKE CARE.
BYE-BYE.
SOMETIMES THERE IS NO ANSER.
UH, THAT'S A BADLY PROGRAMMED
UH, PIECE OF SOFTARE AND THERE
SHOULD BE A FIX BUT THERE ISN'T
AS FAR AS I KNO.
IF YOU KNO GO TOTHE
LAB ITH LEO.
OR SEND ME AN EMAIL.
I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
ALL RIGHT, TIME FOR OUR QUIZ
QUESTION OF THE DAY.
[Blank for boards]
[Pop captions up]
Leo: HMM, THAT'S A GOOD
QUESTION.
[Blank for boards]
Leo: GET TO THE EBSITE,
GIVE US THE ANSER E'LL TALK
ABOUT HENCALL FOR
HELPCONTINUES.
[Pop captions don]
[Commercial Break]
[Theme music playing]
Leo: ELCOME BACK TO
THE LABNOT
CALL FOR HELP.
SO I PUT LIKE FIVE BUCKS INTO
THE KITTY EVERY TIME I SAY
CALL FOR HELPBY
ACCIDENT?
HO MUCH HAVE I NO PUT IN THE
KITTY JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY?
$100?
Sean: GETTING CLOSE.
[Laughter]
Leo:THE LAB ITH
LEO LAPORTE.
HO ARE YOU TODAY?
JAMES IS ON THE LINE FROM
HUNTING -- IS IT HUNTINGTON
EST VIRGINIA?
[Pop captions up]
James aka Rocky:YES,
IT IS.
Leo: HEY, JAMES, HO ARE
YOU?
James aka Rocky:
FINE, THANK YOU.
MY FRIENDS CALL ME
ROCKY.
Leo: ROCKET?
James aka Rocky:
ROCKY.
Leo: ROCKY.
HEY, ROCKY.
[Pop captions don]
Leo: YOU KNO HO ELSE HIS
FRIENDS HO CALL HIM ROCKY?
James aka Rocky:
YEAH, BULLINKLE?
Leo: ELL, THAT'S ONE.
THAT OULD BE A GOOD QUIZ
QUESTION.
STEVE OZNIAK'S FRIENDS CALL
HIM ROCKY.
James aka Rocky:
OH, YEAH.
Leo: AND THE REASON AS HEN
STEVE DECIDED TO GO BACK TO
COLLEGE HE'D ALREADY BEEN VERY
FAMOUS FOR STARTING APPLE
COMPUTER AND CREATING THE
PERSONAL COMPUTER REVOLUTION
AND HE ANTED TO GO BACK TO
SCHOOL.
HE DROPPED OUT.
HE ENT BACK TO THE UNIVERSITY
OF CALIFORNIA BERKELEY TO GET A
TEACHING CREDENTIAL AND HE
DIDN'T ANT EVERYBODY TO GO OH,
STEVE OZNIAK OH, SO HE USED A
PSEUDONYM AND THE NAME THAT HE
CAME UP ITH AS ROCKY RACCOON
BECAUSE HE LIKED THE BEATLES.
REMEMBER ROCKY RACCOON.
James aka Rocky:
ABSOLUTELY.
Leo: HE HAS A DIPLOMA FROM
THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA
BERKELEY MADE OUT TO ROCKY
RACCOON.
[Laughter]
Leo: I THINK HE'S THE ONLY
ONE HO DOES.
HAT CAN I DO FOR YOU, ROCKY?
[Pop captions up]
James aka Rocky:
\AIELL, I AS INTERESTED
IN FINDING YOU
KNO, REMOVING
TEMPORARY FILES FROM
\AIINDOS IS ALMOST A
NECESSITY.
[Pop captions don]
Leo: YEAH.
James aka Rocky:AND
I JUST UPGRADED TO
\AIINDOS VISTA AND I AS
\AIONDERING HERE IN
\AIINDOS VISTA HOME
PREMIUM IS THE
TEMPORARY FILES
LOCATED?
Leo: HERE DID THEY STICK
EM?
James aka Rocky:
YEAH, EVERYTHING'S
DIFFERENT.
[Pop captions up]
Leo: IT IS.
YEAH, STEVE GIBSON AND I HAVE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT HEN
YOU'VE USED INDOS FOR A LONG
TIME AS E'VE BOTH HAVE YOU GET
USED TO THINGS BEING IN A
CERTAIN PLACE OBVIOUSLY YOU,
TOO, ROCKY, AND THEN YOU START
LOOKING IN VISTA AND EVERYTHING
IS DIFFERENT.
YOU'RE LIKE IN ANOTHER PLANET.
[Pop captions don]
Leo: IT'S NOT SO VERY
DIFFERENT HEN IT COMES TO TEMP
FILES.
I'LL SHO YOU ON ALL VERSIONS
OF INDOS THERE IS A HAT THEY
CALL AN ENVIRONMENT VARIABLE
THAT IS SET AND THIS IS
ACTUALLY TRUE IN MOST OPERATING
SYSTEMS.
A LOT OF INDOS UNDER THE HOOD
LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE ANY OTHER
OPERATING SYSTEM, UNIX OR OSX.
UNDER THE HOOD THEY HAVE A
SYSTEM ENVIRONMENT VARIABLE
THAT SAYS HERE THE TEMP FILES
ARE.
NO THIS IS STEVE'S GEEKY AY
OF FINDING THIS.
I'LL SHO YOU THE EASY AY.
HE SAYS OH, YOU JUST OPEN A
COMMAND LINE HERE LIKE THIS AND
YOU'RE GONNA GET HAT LOOKS
LIKE A DOS PROMPT IF IT ORKS.
OH, MY VISTA'S BEING A LITTLE
RECALCITRANT.
MAYBE THAT'S HAT BROKE IT
BEFORE.
I CAN'T GET THE COMMAND LINE.
AND YOU TYPE SET, OKAY?
AND THAT IS AN OLD DOS COMMAND.
THERE E GO.
LET ME TRY IT NO.
S-E-T IT'S AN OLD DOS COMMAND
THAT ILL GIVE YOU LOOK AT
THIS.
THIS IS THE LIST OF ENVIRONMENT
VARIABLES.
THESE ARE PREDEFINED VARIABLES
THAT INDOS USES TO FIND
STUFF.
YOU SEE THERE'S THE PATH.
THAT'S HERE IT ILL LOOK FOR
APPLICATIONS.
AND IF E GO DON HERE TO TEMP
THERE'S HERE THE TEMP IS.
SO THAT'S ONE AY TO DO IT.
THERE'S TO TEMPS.
THERE'S A SYSTEM TEMP AND
THERE'S A USER TEMP.
LET ME SHO YOU THE PREFERRED
AY TO DO IT.
THAT'S NOT -- THAT'S NOT THE
STEVE GIBSON -- THAT'S THE GEEK
AY TO DO IT.
LET ME SHO YOU ANOTHER AY TO
DO IT AND THIS ACTUALLY ORKS
IN ALL VERSIONS OF INDOS.
YOU OPEN THE SYSTEM PROPERTIES
CONTROL PANEL, OKAY?
AND IN VISTA THIS IS PROBABLY
HAT GOT YOU LOST.
IN THE -- IN INDOS XP IF YOU
OPEN THE SYSTEM PROPERTIES
CONTROL PANEL YOU GET A BOX AND
YOU CAN CLICK ON ADVANCED AND
YOU'LL FIND IT RIGHT AAY.
HERE YOU GET THIS KIND OF THIS
NE PRETTY SCREEN THAT TELLS
YOU LOTS OF IRRELEVANT STUFF
ABOUT VISTA AND THEN YOU HAVE
TO CLICK OVER HERE.
ADVANCED SYSTEM SETTINGS
BECAUSE YOU'RE AN ADVANCED
USER, ROCKY.
NO YOU GET HAT YOU'RE USED TO
HICH IS THIS DIALOGUE BOX THAT
E ALL SEE IN INDOS XP.
NO E KNO HERE E ARE YOU
SEE RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM HERE
ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES.
YOU'RE GONNA CLICK THAT AND
THESE ARE THE ENVIRONMENT
VARIABLES.
THE FIRST TO FOR THE USER ARE
TEMP AND TMP AND NO THIS,
YOU'LL SEE THIS PERCENT USER
PROFILE PERCENT THAT'S A
VARIABLE ITSELF THAT SAYS
HATEVER THE USER LOG IN NAME
IS IN THIS CASE IT'S
ADMINISTRATOR SLASH APP DATA
SLASH LOCAL SLASH TEMP BUT E
ALSO HAVE TEMP FILES FOR THE
SYSTEM AND IF E SCROLL DON
HERE E'LL SEE THAT INDOS HAS
ITS ON TEMP FILES AND THAT'S
ON OUR SYSTEM C:INDOS\TEMP
BUT THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT ON
YOUR SYSTEM BECAUSE XP AND
VISTA DON'T REQUIRE A C DRIVE
TO BE THE BOOT DRIVE.
SO IT COULD BE D OR E DEPENDING
ON HAT YOUR BOOT DRIVE IS.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL TEMP FILES.
THERE'S THE INDOS TEMP FILE.
THAT'S THE BOOT DRIVE SLASH
INDOS SLASH TEMP.
AND THERE'S ONE IN YOUR HOME
DIRECTORY THAT'S SLASH APP DATA
SLASH LOCAL SLASH TEMP.
SO YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND
DELETE THEM BY UM, BY HAND
ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNO IF THAT'S
THE PREFERRED SYSTEM.
[Pop captions up]
Leo: I THINK PROBABLY
INDOS HAS AS A CLEAN UP
COMMAND THAT UH, INDOS XP HAD
THAT ILL GO IN AND DELETE THE
TEMP FILES THAT'S PROBABLY THE
BETTER AY TO DO IT.
I HAVEN'T FOUND THE CLEAN UP
COMMAND YET THOUGH.
[Pop captions don]
[Laughter]
Leo: I DON'T KNO HERE THAT
IS.
Steve Gibson: IN XP THERE'S
THAT DISK CLEAN UP COMMAND.
Leo: YEAH, I DON'T KNO IF
THAT'S IN VISTA.
Steve Gibson: IT'S GOTTA BE
HIDDEN IN THERE SOMEHERE AND
YOU TELL IT ALL THE THINGS, I
BASICALLY TURN ON ALL THOSE
CHECKMARKS AND IT ILL--
Leo: YOU USE IT?
Steve Gibson: OH, YEAH.
Leo: ELL, I'LL TELL YOU,
LET ME GUESS AND NO A LOT OF
TIMES HEN I GUESS IN VISTA IT
DOESN'T -- I GUESS RONG BUT
THIS IS HAT I OULD GUESS.
THIS IS HERE IT AS IN XP IS
YOU OPEN MY COMPUTER, YOU RIGHT
CLICK ON THE DRIVE AND THAT
USED TO GIVE YOU BUT YOU KNO,
THIS IS GOING TO GIVE US HAT
E SA BEFORE HICH IS THIS OH,
NO, HERE IT IS.
YES.
IT DOES DO THAT SO THIS IS THE
PROPERTIES NO THIS USED TO
GIVE YOU THE SYSTEM PROPERTIES
CONTROL PANEL.
NO IT GIVES YOU THE DRIVE
PROPERTIES AND THERE'S TOOL AND
THAT ACTUALLY HAS THE ERROR
CHECKING, DEFRAG AND BACK UP
JUST LIKE BEFORE.
Steve Gibson: AND CLEAN UP?
Leo: NO.
[Laughter]
Leo: BUT CLEAN UP USED TO BE
IN THE GENERAL TAB.
YEAH, IT STILL IS.
HERE'S DISK CLEAN UP SO
FRANKLY, UH, ROCKY I OULD
SUGGEST YOU USE THIS METHOD.
Steve Gibson: A LITTLE
SAFER, PROBABLY.
Leo: YEAH, A LITTLE SAFER.
RIGHT CLICK ON YOUR HARD --
OPEN MY COMPUTER, RIGHT CLICK
ON THE HARD DRIVE, SELECT
PROPERTIES IN THE GENERAL TAB
YOU'LL SEE DISK CLEAN UP.
IT KNOS HERE THE TEMP FILES
ARE AND YOU JUST TELL IT TO
CLEAN UP.
HAT IT -- THE THING ABOUT THAT
IS IT ON'T DELETE THE -- YOU
KNO, THERE'S AN INDEX.DAT FILE
IN THESE TEMP FILES AND
EVERYBODY SAYS I CAN'T DELETE
THAT ONE.
ELL, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT
REALLY A REAL FILE.
IT'S AN INDEX.
YOU DON'T ANNA DELETE IT.
IT -- INDOS KNOS HAT TO
DELETE AND HAT YOU CAN LEAVE
BEHIND.
SO I OULD SUGGEST USING THE
DISK CLEAN UP, OKAY, ROCKY?
James aka Rocky:
TERRIFIC, THANK YOU,
LEO.
Leo: YEAH, KIND OF A TOUR IN
THE GUTS OF VISTA AND HO IT'S
ALL DIFFERENT NO.
THEY'VE CHANGED EVERYTHING ON
US.
HERE'S ALL THE DISK CLEAN UP
STUFF YOU CAN DO.
CLEAN UP DONLOADED PROGRAM
FILES, TEMPORARY INTERNET
FILES, OFFLINE EB PAGES,
HIBERNATION FILE CLEANER.
THAT'S NE THAT DIDN'T USED TO
BE THERE BEFORE RECYCLE BIN.
SET UP, LOG FILES.
HERE'S THE TEMPORARY FILES AND
IT ILL ALSO TELL YOU HO MUCH
YOU GOT THERE PER USER,
ARCHIVE, INDOS, ERROR
REPORTS.
ELL, THIS IS ALL NE.
PER USER, CUED INDOS ERROR
REPORTS.
SYSTEM -- I'M DELETING ALL THAT
STUFF.
Steve Gibson: THERE'S MUCH
MORE GARBAGE NO.
Leo: THERE'S MORE GARBAGE
THAN THERE EVER AS BEFORE.
AND NO YOU HAVE THE CLEAN UP,
SET-UPS AND THIS IS GOOD.
YOU CAN ALSO CLEAN UP SYSTEM
RESTORE AND SHADO COPIES SO
THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING
ORTH GOING INTO.
YOU KNO, UM, STEVE AND I ENT
TO DINNER LAST NIGHT ITH HIS
OLD FRIEND BOB HO IS ONE OF
THESE YOU KNO, OLD TIME
INDOS EXPERTS HO COMPANIES
ILL BRING IN THEY'LL CONFIGURE
THE SYSTEM AND HE SAID REALLY
HEN YOU SET-UP INDOS HE GOES
IN THERE AND HE ILL TEAK
EVERY SETTING IN HERE AND I
THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT
TO KNO HO TO DO.
INDOS IS CONFIGURED
ESPECIALLY VISTA REALLY
MICROSOFT SET IT UP FOR
CONSUMER SO THAT YOU SHOULDN'T
HAVE TO TOUCH ANYTHING.
Steve Gibson: OPEN.
Leo: BUT THE PROBLEM IS
OFTEN THE AY IT'S SET UP IS
NOT THE IDEAL AY.
IT'S JUST THE EASIEST AY.
SO IF YOU'RE REALLY AN EXPERT,
AND BOB SAID THIS.
YOU KNO, I LOCKED THIS THING
DON.
I KNO HAT TO DO TO MAKE THIS
THING SAFE TO USE.
I THINK AT SOME POINT MAYBE YOU
AND I, STEVE CAN COLLABORATE ON
A DOCUMENT ON HAT -- MAYBE
BOB, TOO.
ON HAT YOU SHOULD DO TO VISTA,
YOU KNO, THE THINGS YOU SHOULD
THROUGH LIKE THIS CLEAN UP
BEFORE YOU KNO, THE MINUTE YOU
INSTALL IT SO YOU HAVE A GOOD
SYSTEM.
Steve Gibson: THE FIRST FIVE
MINUTES OF LIFE OF VISTA.
Leo: ELL, IT MIGHT BE FIRST
HOUR OR TO.
Steve Gibson: OR FIRST FIVE
HOURS.
[Laughter]
Leo: THANK YOU, ROCKY,
THANKS FOR THE CALL.
UH, E'RE GONNA BE BACK ITH
MORE OF YOUR CALLS IN JUST A
BIT AND SEAN CARRUTHERS IS
GONNA SHO US REALLY COOL HO
HE SET UP, USED GARAGE BAND TO
ACTUALLY CREATE OUR THEME SONG.
HE IS AMAZING ITH GARAGE BAND.
YOU STAY RIGHT HERE.
[Pop captions up]
Leo:THE LAB
CONTINUES IN JUST A MOMENT.
[Pop captions don]
[Commercial Break]
[Theme music playing]
Leo: ELCOME BACK TO
THE LAB.
SO I'M THINKING, KATE, I'M
THINKING, YOU'RE NOT FROM
AROUND HERE.
[Laughter]
Kate: THAT'S A HINT MAYBE.
Leo: IS THAT THE NATIONAL
FLAG OF YOUR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN?
Kate: THAT'S MY MOTHERLAND.
Leo: YOU'RE FROM THE UK.
Kate: YES, ORIGINALLY.
Leo: THAT'S GREAT.
HERE IN THE UK?
Kate: CAMBRIDGE ORIGINALLY.
THE BEAUTIFUL CAMBRIDGE.
Leo: THAT OULD EXPLAIN HAT
DID YOU CALL YOUR ACCENT?
YOU SAID IT AS PLUMMY?
Kate: PLUMMY.
Leo: PLUMMY.
Kate: I DON'T ACTUALLY SOUND
THIS PLUMMY NORMALLY.
THIS IS MY TELEVISION VOICE.
Leo: I THINK IT SOUNDS
GREAT.
I LOVE IT.
Kate: THIS IS MY TV VOICE.
Leo: NO I'M SURE BRITS
DON'T FEEL THE SAME ABOUT
AMERICAN ACCENTS.
YOU THINK E ALL TALK LIKE THIS
KIND OF?
BUT PEOPLE IN THE STATES --
YEAH, SEE?
I KNE IT.
PEOPLE IN THE STATES LOVE THE
BRITISH ACCENT.
Kate: PEOPLE--
Leo: IN CANADA, TOO?
Kate: YES.
PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU KNO, THEY
LISTEN TO THE AY THAT I SAY
THINGS RATHER THAN HAT I'M
ACTUALLY SAYING.
Leo: RIGHT.
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE ORDS.
Kate: IT'S JUST LIKE...
Leo: OH, THAT'S GREAT.
Kate: HAT DOES SHE MEAN?
Leo: IT JUST SOUNDS
INTELLIGENT.
YOU KNO HAT?
IT'S FROM YEARS OF MASTERPIECE
THEATRE.
E JUST THINK THAT THAT'S
INTELLIGENT SOUNDING.
Kate: IT'S ALL A BIG SCAM.
Leo: YOU KNO, I HEAR AND I
DON'T KNO IF THIS IS TRUE
MAYBE YOU CAN CONFIRM THIS THAT
IN FRANCE THEY LIKE THE
AMERICAN ACCENT.
Kate: YEAH, THE FRENCH AND
THE ENGLISH, YEAH, THERE'S A
HISTORY THERE.
Leo: E ON'T GO THERE.
100 YEARS AR.
IT'S JUST BEEN A PROBLEM EVER
SINCE.
Kate: THEY PREFER THE
AMERICAN ACCENT.
Leo: LET'S GET THE CALLER ON
THE AIR HERE.
Kate: OKAY, THE FIRST CALLER
E HAVE IS FRANK AND HE IS FROM
KIRKLAND LAKE ONTARIO.
NO E JUST LOST HIS SKYPE FEED
HEN E ACTUALLY UNFORTUNATELY
PICKED UP MY MOUSE MAT.
Leo: DID I DO THAT TO YOU?
Kate: AFRAID SO.
Leo: I'M SORRY.
Kate: HAT I'LL DO IS I'LL
GET HIM BACK ON THE LINE NO
AND--
Leo: E'LL TALK TO HIM.
BUT E HAVE HIS AUDIO, RIGHT?
Kate: YEAH, E HAVE HIS
AUDIO I'LL JUST GET HIS VISUAL
FEED NO.
Leo: THAT'S TV.
SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS.
SOMETIMES THE HOST COMES OVER
AND PICKS UP YOUR MOUSE.
HI, FRANK, HO ARE YOU TODAY?
Frank:HEY, LEO, HAT
ARE YOU DOING TO ME
THERE?
Leo: I MESSED UP YOUR SKYPE,
I GUESS.
E'LL GET IT BACK AND THEN
E'LL SEE A NICE PICTURE OF YOU
BUT HILE E'RE DOING THAT HAT
CAN I DO FOR YOU?
Frank:\AIELL, YOU
KNO, FOR THE LONGEST
TIME I'VE BEEN VERY
INTERESTED IN VIDEO
EDITING.
Leo: OKAY.
Frank:AND THERE'S
JUST TOO MUCH OUT
THERE.
\AIHERE DOES ONE START
EQUIPMENT-ISE?
[Pop captions up]
Frank:PROPER CAMERA.
Leo: OH, MY GOODNESS.
HAT'S YOUR BUDGET, FRANK?
Frank:\AIELL, YOU KNO
I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED
ABOUT THAT IT'S JUST TO
GET THE PROPER STUFF.
THAT'S HAT I MEAN.
[Pop captions don]
Leo: I LIKE YOUR AY OF
THINKING.
YOU'RE ILLING TO SPEND A
LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU ANNA DO
IT RIGHT.
YOU DON'T ANNA BUY SOME CHEAP
STUFF AND THEN THRO IT OUT AND
THEN BUY SOME LESS CHEAP STUFF
AND THEN THRO IT OUT AND
FINALLY GET THE RIGHT STUFF.
YOU ANNA START ITH THE RIGHT
STUFF.
Frank:EXACTLY.
Leo: I RESPECT THAT.
LET ME ASK HAT YOU'RE GONNA BE
DOING.
IS THIS PICTURES OF THE KIDS?
DO YOU ANNA DO A TV SHO?
DO YOU ANNA DO A PODCAST?
HAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ITH THIS
VIDEO?
Frank:NOTHING
TOO ADVANCED.
YOU KNO, THE LOCAL
HOCKEY GAMES, THRO
SOME MUSIC BEHIND THEM
SOME SLO MOTION
SCENES.
[Pop captions up]
Frank:BURN THEM ONTO
A DISK AND HAND THEM
OUT TO FRIENDS.
Leo: ELL, E HAVE EXPERTS
IN HOUSE, I GOTTA SAY.
[Pop captions don]
Leo: SEAN CARRUTHERS DOES A
VIDEO PODCAST.
STEVE GIBSON DOES HIS ON
EDITING ALL THE TIME.
HE LIKES TO MAKE HIS ON KIND
OF LIKE HOME-MADE DVDs.
I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT IN MY
TIME, TOO.
I MEAN, YOU'RE SURROUNDED
REALLY BY TV PEOPLE.
LET ME TELL YOU HAT I THINK
FIRST GIVEN YOU'RE STARTING
FROM SCRATCH AND THEN E CAN
HEAR FROM A FE OTHER COUNTIES
FIRST OF ALL I OULD SAY UM,
THAT A MAC IS A GREAT PLACE TO
START.
NO THERE MAY BE REASONS YOU
DON'T ANNA GO ITH A MAC AND
CERTAINLY THERE ARE PLENTY OF
GOOD INDOS SOLUTIONS BUT
MACINTOSH COMES ITH IMOVIE AND
IDVD HICH ARE OUT OF THE BOX,
VERY SIMPLE, EASY TO USE
PROGRAMS.
AND THEN IF YOU GET MORE
SOPHISTICATED YOU CAN STEP UP
TO THE VERY HIGH END PROGRAM
THAT'S USED BY HOLLYOOD.
BY GREAT MOTION -- PEOPLE LIKE
ALTER MURCH ONE OF THE GREAT
EDITORS, OSCAR AARD INNER.
UH, HE HELPED DEVELOP FINAL CUT
BECAUSE HE USED IT TO EDIT THE
MOVIECOLD MOUNTAIN
AND THERE ERE A LOT OF
FEEDBACK BETEEN HIM AND APPLE.
HAT DO YOU NEED?
HO CAN E FIX THIS?
AND BY THE END OF THAT MOVIE IT
MUST'VE BEEN A PAINFUL PROCESS
BUT THEY GOT A PROGRAM THAT IS
NO VERY IDELY USED IN
HOLLYOOD SO YOU CAN GO
ANYHERE FROM A VERY SIMPLE
BEGINNER APPLICATION ITH
IMOVIE TO A VERY ADVANCED
APPLICATION FINAL CUT AND THEY
ALL ORK ON A MAC.
NO HAT CAMERA SHOULD YOU GET?
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE
COMPLICATED.
YOU CERTAINLY IF YOU ANNA BUY
FOR THE FUTURE COULD GO FOR
HIGH DEF.
I PERSONALLY THINK A STANDARD
DV CAMCORDER IS GONNA BE FINE
TO START ITH.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A LOT
OF MONEY UH, YOU CAN GET A NICE
CAMCORDER FOR ANYHERE FOR
THREE OR $400 IF YOU ANNA --
HEN E BOUGHT CAMERAS FOR OUR
VIDEO PODCAST E ENT OUT AND
GOT YOU KNO, EXPENSIVE CANON
XL2 CAMERAS ALSO DV.
[Pop captions up]
Leo: NOT HIGH DEF BUT VERY,
VERY GOOD STUDIO QUALITY
CAMERAS AND THERE ARE YOU KNO,
HIGH DEF CAMERAS OUT THERE.
MY OPINION IS IF YOU REALLY
ANNA GO HIGH DEF I OULD AIT.
I THINK THE QUALITY IS GOING TO
GO UP AND THE PRICE IS GOING TO
GO DON OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF
YEARS SIGNIFICANTLY.
IT'S VERY EARLY ON IN THE HIGH
DEF ORLD.
SO MY OPINION BUY A RELATIVELY
INEXPENSIVE CONSUMER DV
CAMCORDER, BUY A MACINTOSH, IT
COMES ITH ALL THE SOFTARE YOU
NEED.
THAT'S GONNA GET YOU STARTED.
IF YOU NEED MORE DON THE ROAD
YOU CERTAINLY CAN MOVE UP.
SEAN CARRUTHERS YOU DO LAB RATS
labrats.tv ITH ANDY ALKER.
UH, YOU HAVE A LOT OF
EXPERIENCE DOING VIDEO EDITING,
HAT DO YOU THINK?
Sean: I THINK DEFINITELY
FINAL CUT AND THE MAC IS--
Leo: THAT'S THE HIGH END
SOLUTION.
Sean: IS A GOOD AY TO GO.
Leo: YEAH.
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Sean: AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY
GET FINAL CUT EXPRESS HICH IS
ABOUT $300 MAYBE A BIT LESS NO
AND THAT DOES MOST OF HAT
FINAL CUT PRO DOES IT
ELIMINATES SOME OF THE HIGHER
END PROGRAMS THAT GO ON AS
ACCESSORIES.
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Sean: BUT YOU CAN DO MOST OF
HAT YOU ANT TO DO IN
SOMETHING THAT CHEAP.
Leo: YEAH.
BUT IMOVIE IS FINE FOR A LOT OF
PEOPLE.
Sean: IMOVIE IS FINE IF
YOU'RE JUST DOING BASIC
TRANSITIONS--
Leo: AND THAT'S FREE.
Sean: AND THAT'S FREE.
AS FAR AS CAMERAS GO UM, I
THINK THERE'S A -- E ENT ITH
HIGH DEFINITION BECAUSE E ANT
THE ABILITY TO DO THAT SO THAT
COSTS A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS
POTENTIALLY IF YOU ANT REALLY
NICE CAMERAS.
Leo: HAT DID YOU BUY?
Sean: E BOUGHT SONY A1U
CAMERAS.
Leo: THOSE ARE VERY NICE.
Sean: THEY'RE VERY NICE UM,
BUT UH, IF YOU'RE JUST DOING
BASIC THINGS ESPECIALLY IF
YOU'RE JUST DOING THE HOCKEY
GAME I THINK HAT YOU'D ANNA
DO MORE THAN ANYTHING IS MAKE
SURE IT HAS A GOOD ZOOM AND
IMAGE STABILISATION ESPECIALLY
AT THE END OF THAT ZOOM.
Leo: BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE
GOING AY, AY FAR AAY.
Sean: AND HEN YOU'RE GOING
THAT FAR AAY ITHOUT
STABILISATION YOU'LL GET
SEASICK ATCHING THE FOOTAGE.
Leo: I ALSO THINK THAT
BECAUSE HIGH DEF IS NOT SO GOOD
IN LO LIGHT UH, IT'S NOT A
GOOD CHOICE FOR NATURAL LIGHT
SHOOTING.
Sean: RIGHT.
Leo: YOU HAVE TO HAVE STUDIO
LIGHTS.
Sean: E HAD TO GET STUDIO
LIGHTS BECAUSE E HAVE CMOS
SENSORS ON THAT AND IN THE DARK
IT GETS SO NOISY.
Leo: IT'S VERY GRAINY.
VERY, VERY, VERY GRAINY.
NO STEVE GIBSON DOESN'T SHOOT
VIDEO BUT HE DOES EDIT VIDEO A
LOT AND YOU'RE A INDOS GUY SO
YOU MUST HAVE A INDOS
SOLUTION FOR US.
Steve Gibson: I'M A PC GUY.
FOR A LONG TIME THERE AS A
VIDEO CAPTURE COMPANY CALLED
PINNACLE.
PINNACLE SYSTEMS AND THEY
BUNDLED THE SOFTARE.
THEY JUST CALLED IT STUDIO.
Leo: OH, HE DOESN'T HAVE A
MIKE, I'M SORRY.
Leo: SO YOU'RE SAYING GET
PINNACLE STUDIO.
Steve Gibson: PINNACLE
STUDIO AS BUNDLED--
Leo: THIS IS A INDOS
PROGRAM.
Steve Gibson: THE VIDEO
CAPTURE HARDARE AND IT'S
AVAILABLE SEPARATELY IT'S JUST
A FANTASTIC PROGRAM.
ELL, AGAIN FOR MY NEEDS IT'S
NOT SUPER HIGH END.
Leo: IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
Steve Gibson: YOU'RE ABLE TO
CUT COMMERCIALS OUT OF YOU
KNO, BROADCAST TELEVISION, DO
SIMPLE CROSS FADES AND YOU
KNO, BASICALLY IT DOES
EVERYTHING THAT I ANT.
Leo: NO HAT STEVE AND I
AGREE ON IS THE CURRENT VERSION
OF STUDIO IS AFUL.
Steve Gibson: OH, THEY
RUINED IT AFTER VERSION SEVEN.
Leo: IT CRASHES.
HE SAYS GET PINNACLE SIX.
THE NICE THING ABOUT THAT YOU
CAN GO TO EBAY AND BUY IT FOR
$10.
Steve Gibson: AND I ANTED
TO UNDERSCORE ONE THING YOU
SAID ABOUT HAT'S HAPPENING
ITH HIGH DEF CAMERAS EVERYONE
ILL REMEMBER BECAUSE IT JUST
HAPPENED ITH STILL CAMERAS.
THEY CAME -- THEY JUST CAME
CRASHING DON IN PRICE AND THE
QUALITY SHOT UP.
Leo: AND I THINK THAT'S
REALLY GONNA HAPPEN IN SPADES.
Steve Gibson: YES.
Leo: IN FACT, E MAY EVEN
SEE -- THESE CURRENT HIGH DEFS
ARE HAT THEY CALL 2K CAMERAS
E MAY SEE 4K CAMERAS IN JUST A
FE YEARS THAT ILL GIVE YOU
DOUBLE THE RESOLUTION AND THEN
YOU'RE GONNA SAY I BOUGHT A
HIGH DEF CAMERA AND I SPENT A
LOT OF MONEY AND LOOK, I CAN
GET FOR THE SAME PRICE THIS 4K
CAMERA.
NO OF COURSE THAT'S AY OFF SO
I'M NOT SAYING AIT FOR THAT OR
-- OR BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S
NECESSARY TO GET A HIGH DEF
CAMERA AT THIS POINT.
UM, E'RE GONNA GET OUR FREE
FILE IN.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONFLICTING
ADVICE THERE.
BY THE AY, FOR INDOS I ALSO
LIKE PREMIERE ELEMENTS UH--
Steve Gibson: ADOBE.
Leo: ADOBE MAKES AN
EXCELLENT $100 PROGRAM THAT IS
VERY GOOD AND THEN IF YOU GET
TO THE HIGH END YOU CAN GET
ADOBE PREMIERE BUT THAT'S MUCH
MORE EXPENSIVE.
I THINK A MAC IS THE AY TO
START ITH A SIMPLE DV CAM.
GO FROM THERE.
RYAN IS HERE.
HE'S GOING TO SHO US ONE OF
YEELL'S JEELS.
A FREE FILE TODAY.
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Ryan: AND IT'S A INDOS
FREE FILE AGAIN E'LL JUST
MENTION THAT SO E DON'T
CONFUSE ANYONE.
IT IS EDIT PAD LITE.
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Leo: NO INDOS OF COURSE
COMES ITH NOTEPAD.
Ryan: IT DOES.
Leo: AND IT IS NOT GOOD FOR
ANYTHING.
Ryan: UH, ELL--
Leo: IT'S VERY LIMITED.
Ryan: IT'S BASICALLY A
TYPERITER THAT IS ON A
COMPUTER.
Leo: YOU CAN'T EVEN -- IT
ALAYS DRIVES ME CRAZY YOU DO
CONTROL F TO DO A FIND YOU HAVE
TO DO IT FROM THE MENU.
Ryan: AND THE ORD RAP
SOMETIMES DOES SOME EIRD
THINGS AND ALL THAT.
Leo: SO THIS IS A
REPLACEMENT FOR NOTEPAD?
Ryan: YEAH, AND IT TAKES IT
TO THE NEXT LEVEL A LITTLE BIT
LIKE THINGS LIKE YOU CAN PUT
YOUR LINE NUMBERS IN, YOU CAN
DO ORD RAP OBVIOUSLY.
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Ryan: YOU CAN EVEN DO LITTLE
COOL THINGS LIKE CHANGE TEXT SO
IF YOU ANT TO INTO OPTIONS AND
MAKE IT LOOK LIKE YOU'RE UH,
YOU'RE SHOUTING AT SOMEBODY
HERE YOU'RE CONVERT TO
UPPERCASE THERE E GO NO E'RE
SHOUTING AT SOMEBODY.
IT HAS A BUNCH OF LITTLE
OPTIONS.
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Ryan: IT'S EVEN GOT TABS SO
IF YOU ANTED DO A NE LITTLE--
Leo: OH, THAT'S NICE FOR
INDOS.
Ryan: YEAH, EXACTLY.
Leo: DOES IT HAVE MACROS OR
UH, ANY KIND OF--
Ryan: I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY
MACROS IN IT YET.
I COULD TAKE A LOOK.
Leo: THAT'S A PRETTY
ADVANCED FEATURE.
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Ryan: AND IT EVEN DOES THE
UH, HAT I LIKE IS YOU CAN STAY
ON TOP SO IF YOU'RE IN ONE
PROGRAM GOING TO ANOTHER NO IT
ILL STAY ON TOP.
Leo: OH, I LIKE THAT BECAUSE
I OFTEN CUT AND PASTE BACK AND
FORTH FROM A TEXT FILE.
Ryan: SO IT'S GOT SOME POER
THERE.
IT'S A LITTLE -- IT'S A STEP UP
FROM NOTEPAD.
Leo: BUT IT'S FREE.
Ryan: IT IS FREE.
Leo: HAT'S THE NAME OF IT?
Ryan: EDIT PAD LITE.
Leo: EDIT PAD LITE.
AND YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE ABOUT
IT BY GOING TO OUR EBSITE.
Ryan: labithleo.com.
Leo: THAT'S RYAN YEELL.
HE'S THE HOST OF
YEELL'S JEELS.
Ryan: YES, I AM.
Leo: E'RE GONNA SPIN THAT
OFF INTO ITS ON SHO.
CAN YOU DO AN HOUR OF
YEELL'S JEELS?
NO.
[Laughter]
Ryan: NO.
Leo: ARE E GONNA DO THE
QUIZ QUESTION?
ARE YOU READY TO DO THAT?
OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA HELP ME OUT
ITH IT.
COMING UP SEAN CARRUTHERS ILL
SHO US GARAGE BAND BUT BEFORE
E DO THAT -- E ANNA DO A
QUIZ NO?
YES?
NO?
YES.
LET'S DO A QUIZ.
HERE'S OUR QUESTION OF THE DAY:
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Leo: THIS IS HARDER THAN YOU
MIGHT THINK.
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Leo: YOU KNO, THAT'S
TESTING A COMPUTER PROGRAM FOR
BUGS.
MAYBE THE 40s?
IT COULDN'T BE THE 40s.
GO TO THE EBSITE, GIVE US THE
ANSER E'LL TALK ABOUT IT
HENCALL FOR HELP...
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[Commercial Break]
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Leo: ELCOME BACK TO
THE LAB.
BEFORE THE BREAK E ASKED YOU:
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Leo: THE TERM DEBUGGING
HICH AS TO FIND ERRORS IN
COMPUTER PROGRAMS ORIGINATED IT
AS BELIEVE IT OR NOT THE 1940s
ALTHOUGH SOME SAY EVEN LATER
HAT HAPPENED IN THE 40s?
GRACE HOPPER HO AS THE OMEN
HO INVENTED UH, THE
PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE COBALT,
RIGHT?
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Leo: FOUND A BUG, A MOTH,
LITERALLY IN ONE OF HER RELAY
BASED COMPUTERS UH, SHE PUT IT
IN THE LOG BOOK, TAPED IT DON
AND SAID THE FIRST COMPUTER BUG
ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME HO SAY
NO, ACTUALLY SHE AS MAKING A
JOKE, A PLAY ON ORDS BECAUSE
THE ORD BUG HAD BEEN USED FOR
YEARS.
NOT JUST ABOUT COMPUTERS AND
COMPUTER SOFTARE BUT EVEN IN
THE EARLY INDUSTRIAL ERA
TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THESE
UH, JACART LOOMS AND THINGS
THAT ERE PROGRAMMABLE UH, AND
THEY CALLED ERRORS IN PROGRAMS
THEN BUGS.
SO DEBUGGING'S BEEN AROUND FOR
A LONG, LONG TIME.
REMOVING THE ERRORS FROM
COMPUTER PROGRAM.
YOU MAY KNO SEAN CARRUTHERS AS
I DO AS OUR ONDERFUL
RESEARCHER HERE ONTHE
LABBUT OF COURSE HE'S
BEEN ITH THE SHO HEN IT AS
CALL FOR HELPFOR YEARS.
AND A GREAT TECH RITER FOR
MANY MAGAZINES AND UH, I DIDN'T
REALISE APPARENTLY A VERY
TALENTED MUSICIAN.
YOU DID THE THEME FOR
THE LAB.
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Sean: I DID THE THEME, YEAH,
HEN E ERE PUTTING EVERYTHING
TOGETHER BEFORE THE SHO
STARTED ROLLING E UH, ERE
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HAT KIND
OF THEME DO E ANT FOR THIS
SHO?
AND E ERE LOOKING FOR A
SPECIFIC MOOD, SPECIFIC TEMPO.
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Sean: SOMETHING THAT YOU
KNO, REFLECTED THE FACT THAT
E'RE TECH BUT E'RE ALSO
FRIENDLY.
E'RE NOT COLD.
Leo: RIGHT.
Sean: SO E PUT TOGETHER
SOME IDEAS IN GARAGE BAND AND I
SKETCHED IT OUT ESSENTIALLY
USING THE BUILDING BLOCKS THAT
ERE IN HERE.
TRYING TO FIND THE CLOSEST
MATCH TO HAT E ERE LOOKING
FOR.
Leo: THIS AS THE IDEA AS
LIKE A DEMO SO YOU COULD GIVE
IT TO A REAL COMPOSER SO HE
COULD MAKE BUT IT TURNED OUT SO
GREAT I HEARD IT I SAID THAT'S
OUR THEME, I LOVE IT!
Sean: MM-HMM.
Leo: SO THAT'S THE AMAZING
THING.
NO THIS IS THE FREE PROGRAM
THAT COMES ITH THE MAC GARAGE
BAND.
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Leo: IT'S REALLY NOT
INTENDED TO BE A PROFESSIONAL
MUSIC PROGRAM ALTHOUGH
PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS I KNO
USE IT ALL THE TIME TO SKETCH
OUT IDEAS.
SHO US HO YOU USE IT A LITTLE
BIT UH, FOR PEOPLE HO HAVEN'T
PLAYED ITH IT AND HAT AMAZING
THINGS YOU CAN DO ITH IT.
YOU SAID FIRST OF ALL THAT IT
COMES ITH MUSIC.
Sean: IT COMES ITH MUSIC SO
HEN YOU'RE GETTING GARAGE BAND
ON YOUR SYSTEM NOT ONLY DOES IT
COME ITH A BUNCH OF LOOPS THAT
YOU CAN PUT IN AS BUILDING
BLOCKS SORT OF LEGO OR
HATEVER, BUILDING BLOCKS.
Leo: LOOPS ARE LITTLE CHUNKS
OF MUSIC.
Sean: LITTLE CHUNKS OF MUSIC
THAT YOU CAN DROP IN HEN YOU
NEED TO.
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Leo: AND STRETCH OUT.
Sean: OR STRETCH OUT TO
REPEAT.
THAT'S CALLED LOOPING THAT'S
HY THEY'RE LOOPS.
AND UH, IT ALSO COMES ITH
SOFTARE INSTRUMENTS AS ELL SO
YOU CAN MAKE YOUR ON.
Leo: YOU CAN ACTUALLY PLAY
AN INSTRUMENT?
Sean: YOU CAN ACTUALLY PLAY
AN INSTRUMENT.
Leo: HO OULD YOU DO THAT?
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Sean: ELL, YOU HAVE TO
CREATE UH, UP HERE ON THIS SIDE
OVER HERE E HAVE SOFTARE
INSTRUMENT LISTED HERE.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY SET IT UP AS A
SOFTARE INSTRUMENT OR A REAL
INSTRUMENT.
YOU OULD CREATE A NE TRACK
ITH THAT ON THERE AND THEN
CHOOSE HAT KIND YOU ANT.
E'VE GOT A GUITAR--
Leo: LOOK AT ALL THE
DIFFERENT CHOICES.
Sean: YEAH, SO E CAN CHANGE
IT DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES
OF INSTRUMENTS THAT ARE BUILT
IN.
THIS IS A BIT OF SOFTARE THAT
TELLS YOU HO THIS IS GONNA
SOUND.
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Leo: TO REPEAT YOU CAN PLUG
IN A REAL GUITAR AND RECORD IT
BUT THIS IS TO USE THE
SYNTHESISER IN THE COMPUTER TO
MAKE IT SOUND LIKE A GUITAR.
Sean: RIGHT.
SO UH, HEN YOU START PLAYING
THIS UM, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET
THE SOUND OUT FROM THAT.
Leo: IT'S NOT ORKING RIGHT
NO.
Sean: EITHER YOUR KEYBOARD
OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE A
KEYBOARD THAT'S BUILT IN.
LET ME ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT SO
YOU CAN SEE THAT.
Leo: OH, LOOK IT USES ITS
ON COMPUTER KEYBOARD.
Sean: RIGHT, SO YOU CAN
ACTUALLY UH--
Leo: YOU KNO, E'RE NOT
GETTING AUDIO.
I DON'T KNO IF HOLD ON THEY'RE
GONNA FIX THAT.
SO THAT'S PRETTY COOL.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT A FULL 88
KEY KEYBOARD THAT'S ONE OCTAVE
AT A TIME.
LET'S HEAR IT CAN E TRY IT
RIGHT NO?
Sean: ALL RIGHT, LET'S ZOOM
BACK OUT JUST MAKE SURE E
HAVEN'T GOT THE POT DON ON
THAT ONE.
Leo: IT COULD BE THAT YOU'VE
MUTED IT.
Sean: IT IS A POSSIBILITY.
THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT'S A
LITTLE BIT TRICKY SOMETIMES IS
HEN YOU'RE SOOPING AROUND YOU
CAN ACTUALLY MOVE YOUR POTS
AROUND.
Leo: POTS ARE THE VOLUME.
THERE E GO.
Sean: OKAY, THERE E GO.
Leo: SO THAT'S A [Unclear]
GUITAR.
IT DOESN'T SOUND EXACTLY LIKE A
GUITAR BUT IT'S A SOUND.
Sean: NO, I'VE ACTUALLY GOT
SOME AFFECTS ON THAT RIGHT NO.
SO E CAN TURN THE AMP OFF.
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Sean: AND THIS IS ONE OF THE
POERFUL THINGS ABOUT IT YOU
CAN ACTUALLY PUT A [Unclear]
ON, AN EQUALISER, A COMPRESSOR
SO NO IT SHOULD.
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Leo: OH, THAT'S NEAT.
Sean: IT SHOULD SOUND A
LITTLE BIT MORE.
Leo: IT'S STILL
SYNTHESISERY.
Sean: E JUST ADDED UH, SOME
EFFECTS ON THERE TO GIVE IT A
LITTLE BIT OF CRUNCH.
Leo: THAT'S VERY TECHIE.
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Sean: THAT'S TECHIE.
SO HAT I DID ESSENTIALLY IS I
STARTED BATTING NOTES IN ON THE
UH, KEYBOARD THAT E HAVE RIGHT
HERE ON THE SCREEN JUST BY
RECORDING THROUGH THEM SO JUST
TO DEMO E CAN JUST DUPLICATE
THIS TRACK RIGHT HERE.
SO E'RE NO ON A NE BLANK
TRACK AND TO ENTER DATA IN E
OULD JUST--
[Theme music playing]
Sean: SO LET'S JUST SLO
THIS OUT HERE SO E CAN ONLY
HEAR THIS ONE.
AND YOU CAN LISTEN TO ONLY
THINGS YOU ANT OR THINGS,
VARIOUS COMBINATIONS AND SO YOU
JUST ENTER IT IN AND BRING THE
KEYBOARD BACK UP.
[Playing off-key]
THAT DOESN'T SOUND QUITE LIKE
THE THEME.
[Laughter]
Leo: [Humming]
Sean: ANYAYS, YOU CAN ENTER
THAT IN.
Leo: SO THAT'S HO YOU DID
IT THOUGH?
Sean: RIGHT, ESSENTIALLY AND
THEN HEN YOU UH, HEN YOU KILL
THE KEYBOARD AND GO BACK TO THE
TRACK YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE UH,
ON THE TRACK--
Leo: THE NOTES ARE THERE.
Sean: THE NOTES ARE THERE.
SO.
Leo: LOOK AT THAT.
Sean: AND IF YOU DOUBLE
CLICK ON THIS DON BELO YOU
SHOULD HAVE THE ROLL HERE.
THIS IS HERE THE NOTES ARE AND
YOU CAN EDIT THESE AROUND.
Leo: SO IF YOU'VE MISPLAYED
A NOTE?
Sean: RIGHT.
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Leo: OR IT'S TOO SHORT YOU
CAN LENGTHEN IT, YOU CAN CHANGE
IT.
Sean: CHANGE IT, MOVE IT
BACKARDS IN TIME.
Leo: YOU ACTUALLY
TRANSPOSING IN THERE.
Sean: RIGHT SO YOU CAN DO A
LOT ITH THAT.
Leo: YOU CAN ALSO ALIGN IT
SO THAT IF YOU'RE OFF TEMPO YOU
CAN MAKE IT CLOSER TO THE
ACTUAL TEMPO THAT YOU ANT IT
TO BE.
Sean: THAT'S RIGHT,
QUANTISATION.
E'LL SHO THAT IN A FUTURE
SEGMENT HO TO ACTUALLY CREATE
UH, PERFECT LOOPS OR CLOSE TO
PERFECT AS I CAN MAKE THEM.
Leo: NO YOU USED --
OBVIOUSLY YOU DIDN'T PLAY ALL
OF THE INSTRUMENTS ON THIS SO
YOU USED SOME PRE-MADE LOOPS IN
THE -- SHO US HO YOU OULD
INTRODUCE THOSE INTO IT?
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Sean: ALL RIGHT, SO TO GET A
LOOP INTO THE UM, EQUATION YOU
OULD CLICK ON THE LITTLE EYE
HERE.
Leo: IT ILL SHO YOU HAT
YOU'VE GOT IN YOUR LOOP
LIBRARY.
Sean: SO THAT ILL BRING UP
THE LOOPS BELO.
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Leo: LOOK AT ALL THESE
DIFFERENT CHOICES.
Sean: AND YOU CAN START
DRILLING DON THROUGH THEM SO I
ANT UH, DRUM KITS THAT ILL
BRING DON ANOTHER SUBLIST.
E ANT SOMETHING ELECTRONIC IN
THIS CASE--
Leo: THESE ARE ALL THE
CHOICES.
Sean: RIGHT, AND E JUST --
THAT--
Leo: THAT ILL REPEAT
FOREVER.
OR AS LONG AS YOU ANT.
Sean: RIGHT AND THEN HEN
YOU'RE READY TO GO YOU'LL JUST
TAKE THAT AND DRAG IT UP INTO A
SPOT THAT ACTUALLY IS -- ILL
ACCOMMODATE THAT AND THIS ILL
BE IN THIS CASE A SPOT THAT'S
DESIGNED FOR AN ACTUAL REAL
INSTRUMENT.
Leo: RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL TELL YOU HAT,
E'RE OUT OF TIME.
HY DON'T YOU UH, PLAY US THE
THEME AS YOU COMPOSED IT AND E
CAN ATCH IT ON GARAGE BAND.
HAT E'RE GONNA DO IS PUT THIS
GARAGE BAND FILE UP ON THE
EBSITE SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO
CHANGE OUR THEME, MODIFY IT,
MAKE YOUR ON VERSION OF IT AND
EVEN SEND IT BACK TO US UH, YOU
CAN DO IT.
THAT'S labithleo.com.
IF YOU'VE GOT GARAGE BAND YOU
CAN PLAY ITH IT.
BANDS AS BIG AS NINE INCH NAILS
ARE DOING THE SAME THING.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY GIVING AAY
GARAGE BAND VERSIONS OF THEIR
SONGS FOR FANS TO REMIX.
E'LL BE BACK IN JUST A BIT
ITH A FINAL ORD AS
THE LAB ITH LEO
CONTINUES, STAY RIGHT HERE.
PLAY US OUT.
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Leo: I JUST LOVE THAT.
I LOVE THAT THEME.
SEAN DID AN AMAZING JOB.
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Leo: HEY, IF YOU ANNA BE ON
THE SHO, IF YOU'VE GOT A
QUESTION YOU'D LIKE TO ASK, A
SUGGESTION E'D LOVE TO GET YOU
ON THE SHO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO
IS GO TO OUR EBSITE
labithleo.com
E NEED A LAB ITH -- OH, IS
THAT HAT THAT IS?
[Humming]
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Sean: SURE.
Leo: OKAY, ALL RIGHT,
labithleo.com AND FILL OUT THE
FORM THERE AND OF COURSE SHO
NOTES ON THE SHO AND THINGS
LIKE LINKS TO SEAN'S AND FILES
AND SO FORTH SO YOU CAN PLAY
ITH THEM.
labithleo.com YOU ANNA DO A
JAZZY VERSION OF THIS?
CAN YOU ACTUALLY DO THIS LIVE?
CAN YOU PLAY IT LIVE?
Sean: I CAN PLAY ALONG.
Leo: OKAY, HERE E GO, HERE
E GO.
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Leo: HE'S PLAYING IT RIGHT
NO.
E THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
E REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING
HERE.
E HOPE YOU'LL COME BACK REAL
SOON.
I'M LEO LAPORTE.
THAT'S SEAN CARRUTHERS THIS IS
LAB ITH LEO.
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